Comments: General Synod - February 2010 - online papers

GS 1764A and GS 1764B (Mrs Lorna Ashworth): Anglican Church in North America [Wednesday]

This reads like a bid to increase the likelihood of ACNA being recognised as the 'true' province of the AC in North America.

It would be helpful for someone closer to the issues to critique the claims and opinions made in Mrs Ashworth's paper especially in the field of litigation, depositions and 'anglicans being excluded from their churches'.

Kennedy

Posted by Kennedy at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 1:42pm GMT

'anglicans being excluded from their churches'.

What nonsense. In the diocese of Virginia we have had to try and recover church property hijacked by Minns et alia, at great cost. They are thieves. Period. They are complicit in the proposed horrible antigay legislation in Uganda. We have a phrase in the American south - lower than snake s**t. That's them.

I also hope that at least some of those who debate this have knowledge of these actions, and also a fair working knowledge of the polity of the Episcopal church. I still read about American bishops being 'appointed.'

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 6:04pm GMT

Amen, Kennedy. The claims of "exclusion" in particular ring very false; and her account of the litigation is seriously one-sided. She also seems to think that the "Dennis Canon" introduced the concept of trusteeship (not ownership!) of parish property for the benefit of the larger church. In fact, the Dennis Canon simply codified what had been understood from the 18th century. Cases of parishes attempting to alienate property from the larger church had been similarly decided, with very few exceptions, under the civil law, from the very beginning.

General Synod should not vote on this without further information as to the real situation.

Posted by Tobias Haller at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 7:36pm GMT

Amen, Kennedy and Tobias Haller. It would be well if someone critiqued the claims made by Lorna Ashworth. It would be well if General Synod were provided with accurate information about the real situation in the US church.

Who will provide it? They will not listen to anyone from TEC, of course. Will any members of General Synod be willing to contribute a paper? I hope so, but I don't expect it.

Right now the word seems to be "Oh don't worry; lots of private members' motions don't pass." So no one is going to the trouble of opposing the Ashworth motion; they are simply hoping it will die of itself.

Posted by Charlotte at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 9:36pm GMT

would it help to tell the members of General Synod about the Chapman Memo

http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/ss/archives/000405.html

this is what this is really all about.

Posted by Dennis at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 10:21pm GMT

also, it is probably a good time to revisit the best research behind the money and movements organized to replace the Episcopal Church. Jim Naughton's excellent research write-up ("Following the Money," hosted on the website of the Diocese of Washington) is essential reading for anyone preparing for this debate. While it is old news to most readers here, perhaps most of the voting members of General Synod may not realize the complex links and plans that have been in place for this vote.

The vote in England this February is one of the major end goals of the schismatic groups who have been funded by some very unsavory right wing oligarchs. Here are the links:

http://www.edow.org/follow/part1.html
http://www.edow.org/follow/part2.html

Please know who is behind this movement before you vote to enact their plan.

Posted by Dennis at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 10:29pm GMT

"We will also have an opportunity to quiz such Anglicans at a meeting hosted by the Bishops of Winchester, Exeter and Blackburn on Tuesday 9th at lunchtime." - Lorna Ashworth, Member G.S. -

Having already said that her Private Member's Bill is entirely her own work, Ms. Ashworth here gives us some idea of other influential G.S. Members who may have been some of the primary ionformants behind her Motion.

Her misguided and impertinent assertion that the only 'loyal Anglicans' are those who have already declared their schism from the current Provincial representatvies in North America of the Anglican Communion - TEC and the Anglican Church of Canada - is naive to say the very least.

How possibily could the Church of England form any official relationship to the schismatics who have formed their own Churches in the USA and Canada; when the Amercian Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada are the only holders of the franchise - against which the dissenters have rebelled.

For the C.of E. to welcome ACNA into the fold of the Anglican Communion would be tantamount to welcoming the several different schismatic bodies in the USA and Canada which have set themselves up as rivals to the Communion Partners.

Presumably, most General Synod members are not stupid, and will realise the mistake they would be making by spurning TEC and the A.C.of C. by amking any such move. To do so, would be putting the whole Communion at risk.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 19 January 2010 at 1:55am GMT
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