Comments: Equality Bill: what others are saying

I noticed some risible nonsense on another thread about bishops in the House of Lords defending faith or some such thing.

I wonder then if they will throw their weight behind the amendment tabled by Lord Alli to allow the Quakers, Unitarians and Liberal Jews to legally formalise Civil Partnerships on their premises?

Although the Bishop of Oxford welcomed the prospect when LGCM succeeded in getting an amendment tabled to the original Bill, overnight behind the scenes work by the Church of England defeated the prospect.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Thursday, 21 January 2010 at 12:12pm GMT

Wherever in Old Blighty there is injustice and oppression, there will one find the Church of England...defending and enabling it.

What a disgrace. It's no wonder hardly anyone in England bothers with church anymore.

Can someone remind me why we in TEC are so determined to remain on good terms with this organization?

Posted by JPM at Thursday, 21 January 2010 at 3:45pm GMT

Yes, Unitarians want Civil Partnerships to include having the right to use religious language. At the moment, the couples are having to come to church with the knot already tied through some secular ceremony. That's not right. But better still is to simply have marriage, call it that, and have it available, even if some religious groups are not forced to have it - the Church of England cannot deny marrying heterosexuals who live in the parish, so there'd have to be a discrimination opt out regarding same sex so that others can marry via religious messages. But that's not where things are, and at the very least is the right to have religious language. It is no business of the state to deny this to religious groups, who are limited to ceremonies that have only private relevance to couples.

Posted by Pluralist at Thursday, 21 January 2010 at 4:55pm GMT

JPM, my only response to that would be if your aged mother were to become so terribly crazy with dementia that putting up with her was untenable but impossible to let go because of the love you still had for her demanded it.

Posted by choirboyfromhell at Thursday, 21 January 2010 at 5:16pm GMT

Aw, that's a touching metaphor for the C of E, choriste d'enfer. I think I a few English people might look at it that way too!

Posted by Fr Mark at Thursday, 21 January 2010 at 8:35pm GMT

Yes, but to stay within the metaphor, we would then take power-of-attorney for a mother who'd reached that stage, having her declared legally incompetent to manage her own affairs, if it were necessary, to give her the care she needed.

How could that be done, here?

Posted by MarkBrunson at Friday, 22 January 2010 at 6:34am GMT

Can't imagine many Christians giving up public sector jobs as +Winchester thinks.. a few evangelicals possibly but I suspect most christian professional people support the legislation. Sadly the C of E is out of touch with this issue I think.The Bishop is beyond normal retirement age but would appear to be staying on to 70 to be a thorn in the liberal flesh as his seeming support for ACNA suggests... how depressing all this is but mercifully the antics of the General Synod are of little interest to most people in the pews: the C of E laity are a long suffering lot..

Posted by Perry Butler at Friday, 22 January 2010 at 12:22pm GMT

Now, now, come, come -- we must avoid ageism and sexism -- even in our use of metaphors.

One Geo Carey got terrible flack for describing the Church as a toothless old woman taking to herself in a corner...... before his minders at Lambeth started to range him in !

It's the miserable men who seem to be the bain for me


Posted by Rev L Roberts at Friday, 22 January 2010 at 7:42pm GMT
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