Comments: Equality Bill: statement from three bishops

With the Churches and their Bishops so against it the Government must have got this about right.

Posted by Richard Ashby at Saturday, 23 January 2010 at 12:33pm GMT

With bishops lining up to defend privilege and put down moves towards equality, we seem to be back in the days of the Reform Bill.

Can these ancien régime bishops not see how damaging it is to the Church's standing in society for them always to be fighting losing battles against equality? Are there any enlightened bishops prepared to come out with a strong statement in favour of moves towards greater equality?

Posted by Fr Mark at Saturday, 23 January 2010 at 4:42pm GMT

Ah! These bishops who have already distinguished themselves with their homophobic comments (and I use the word advisedly) appear to have tasted blood!

They are not defenders of faith - they are nasty men:

Do you remember the Dromantine Anathema?

"The victimisation or diminishment of human beings whose affections happen to be ordered towards people of the same sex is anathema to us."

Yet listen to my Lord of Winchester chilling description of us and our families in an earlier debate in the House of Lords:

"are less than the best, less than the most healthy, and less than God's will for humankind."

Thrice he diminished us!!

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Saturday, 23 January 2010 at 5:25pm GMT

These people are liars. There is no further restriction, just clarification as directed by Europe and by the cases lost by the church

Just shows there will never be any pleasing these people - there should be no exemptions for anyone and if that affects their institutional homophobia, tough.

More evidence that religion should have no place at all in the public sphere.

Posted by Merseymike at Saturday, 23 January 2010 at 6:47pm GMT

Might it be appropriate to describe these 3 bishops (et al) as "Concern Trolls"? >;-/

Posted by JCF at Saturday, 23 January 2010 at 7:45pm GMT

"are less than the best, less than the most healthy, and less than God's will for humankind."

- Martin Reynolds, on Saturday -

Is, I wonder, My Lord of Winchester, here quoted as speaking of the LGBT community or of certain English Bishops? If indeed these were the words of this learned cleric, and he was speaking about homosexual people, he really does need to up-date his understanding of human sexuality.

This style of condescension no longer does credit to the hierarchy of the Church of England. How can the hereditory Lords continue to live with such proponents of sexist rhetoric? It simply is not cricket!

Posted by Fatrher Ron Smith at Sunday, 24 January 2010 at 5:00am GMT

More like the Three Stooges JCF.

Posted by choirboyfromhell at Sunday, 24 January 2010 at 11:31pm GMT

Well, a united episcopal front as it were? A bitterly cold front, blowing in from an inhospitable due North?

Their common cause spin doctor gloss intends to confuse us, as I read it. The preponderance of the available empirical evidence is that most religions continue to proclaim flat earth notions about queer folks in particular, period.

We are supposed to be alarmed that any regulation or law would narrow or omit the established religious leeway for preaching these flat earth notions about queer folks as essential, unchangeable, utterly true divine revelation.

But, check the details. Nobody is forced to discontinue believing the earth is flat at all; however if faith-based communities wish to successfully and safely operate airports, patting themselves self-regardingly on the back as God's best and only chosen or called to the aviation industry; they shall have to allow public safety to trump many of their traditional core practices. In fact the trump has already taken place, as queer folks are no longer to be burned-tortured publicly at the nearest square with the local revs and/or bishops solemnly in prayerful and sadistically satisfying attendance. When did we shift all that great stuff, and why did we shift it? It was our holy norm, backed up by readings from scripture that were centuries old, hardly doubted before by anybody, except perhaps those being tortured/burned?

Now we come to the hot button nubs. What will the church do, faced all around - firstly by solidly competent queer folks whose competency should and ought to trump all the nasty bad neighbor stuff the church continues to preach about them in so many sad instances - and faced, secondly, by all the allies, family, friends who have allowed the sheer competence (and frequently, sheer lovingkindness) of those same queer folks to trump and shift traditional negative opinions, beliefs, and yes, employment practices?

Posted by drdanfee at Tuesday, 26 January 2010 at 8:32pm GMT
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