Comments: General Synod - business done Wednesday

The following comment from TitusOneNine will be of interest to Synod members and others. I don't think this is an empty threat, by the way. ACNA, FOCA, or GAFCON -- whatever name they are known by, they have made this threat before.

http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/28207/#407649

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12. Billy wrote:

As someone wrote on Virtue’s blog, if CofE knows what is good for them, they will pass a full recognition motion in 2011 Synod or risk ACNA begin setting up churches in England, Scotland and Wales. There is an easy way to solve this problem for them - include ACNA as being in communion w/ CofE. 2011 will be time to act or face a reality they may not want to deal with.

February 10, 2:08 pm

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Posted by Charlotte at Wednesday, 10 February 2010 at 10:18pm GMT

Looks like Billy's comment was too embarassing to be allowed to stay. Gone now. Is this how the Chapman Memo leaked?

Posted by Tom Downs at Thursday, 11 February 2010 at 12:06am GMT

Charlotte, that got pulled -- fast!
But, thank you for memorializing it here, where it won't be pulled.
Several other posters made more, shall we say, dignified threats, but the intent was the same. There's eves threats to use this highly symbolic resolution that signifies nothing in Virginia to press secessionists' claim there.

Posted by peterpi at Thursday, 11 February 2010 at 12:21am GMT

Despite the warnings on Virtue's blog, I do not think that the Church of England would ever get to the point of allowing foreign putative bishops into its provenance to take over the traditional home of Anglicanism. Your supposition here, Charlotte, accords ACNA & Affiliates much more actual power than they have within the Communion.

Despite the rhetoric of the friends of ACNA within the Church of England, who did their very best to pass the original Private Members Motion of Ms. Ashworth, they did not get their own way. The amended motion allows pause for recognition (or not) of ACNA as a viable Province of the Anglican Communion. Let's hope not!

The only sore point was the mention of "The desire of ACNA to REMAIN WITHIN the Anglican Communion", when clearly, they had already left.
What is left for the whole Communion to decide, by proper process, is whether or not ACNA could be RE-ADMITTED to the Communion. Nothing can now be done about that until at least 2011.

All the C.of E. has done is to recognise ACNA's *DESIRE to remain (read: be re-instated into) the Anglican Communion*. All is not lost, when the possibility of passing the original motion was much more ominous. Take heart, Charlotte.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 11 February 2010 at 2:59am GMT

One of the schismatics should get alongside Billy and advise him that loose lips sink ships. He's just let the cat out of the schismatical bag.

Posted by Malcol at Thursday, 11 February 2010 at 3:09am GMT

Given the recorded voting figures, and assuming the (ex-cised)speculation on TitusOnline was correct, how confident are TA's that they can get 112 'yes' voters to cross over and defeat a Primate / ABC supported motion to recognise ACNA ? I have assumed all opposers and abstainers in yesterday's vote to be opposed now and in 2011.

Yesterday's vote looks very much like a "Yes, but not yet" result.

Posted by John Waldsax at Thursday, 11 February 2010 at 11:14am GMT

The sociology of religion is very different in the UK than in the US. ACNA may well try to set up shop here but I cant see them having much success. There are a few breakaways groups as it is but there isnt much enthusiasm amongst british folk in general for worship in school halls and the like, and financially its a lot harder to make a success of such ventures because the english laity arent prepared to cough up as they do in the states. Also Establishment has played a part in keeping evangelicals in the fold. Evangelical anglicanism does best in well healed suburbs and those sort of people arent going to desert the C of E en masse for a conventicle, women bishops, gay priests or whatever..it wouldnt be socially "on" to do so...look at the social composition of many successful evangelical congregations.

Posted by Perry Butler at Thursday, 11 February 2010 at 2:07pm GMT

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12. Billy wrote:

As someone wrote on Virtue’s blog, if CofE knows what is good for them, they will pass a full recognition motion in 2011 Synod or risk ACNA begin setting up churches in England, Scotland and Wales. There is an easy way to solve this problem for them - include ACNA as being in communion w/ CofE. 2011 will be time to act or face a reality they may not want to deal with.

February 10, 2:08 pm

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Thanks to Charlotte for posting the above-cited bit of unintended honesty, which she found at TitusOneNine, from the ACNA-GAFCON crowd.

Perhaps we shall see, in today's CofE, a return to this historical spirit of the British people:
"...we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills...."

Bullies are bullies, and dainty actions and conciliatory words will not turn them away from their threats to CofE integrity.

Not to mention, Billy (whichever Billy you may be) you seem to be unaware of the fact that CofE does not control the Church in Wales nor the Scottish Episcopal Church. But the spirit of the British people has been a common rejection of external threats, GAFCON-ACNA merely being the latest.

Posted by Jerry Hannon at Thursday, 11 February 2010 at 8:03pm GMT

"Not to mention, Billy (whichever Billy you may be)"

Whichever one it is, it ain't me!

Posted by BillyD/Bill Dilworth at Friday, 12 February 2010 at 3:44pm GMT
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