Comments: still more on Williams, Kearon etc.

Kearon sounds more pettifogging than any lawyer.

For all the outrage at lawsuits, there is more justice in law courts than in the power plays which have characterised the Anglican Communion these last 10 years or so.

Posted by badman at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 9:24am BST

Let me see if I have this right.

The churches that are democratically constituted are being asked whether their elected leaders have done anything formally.

The churches that are more authoritarian in structure are being asked the same question.

Does anyone know whether Nigeria or Rwanda _needs_ synodical or House of Bishops action in order to poach across provincial boundaries?

Sounds to me as though Kearon's question is designed to produce a particular outcome.

Posted by Jeremy at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 12:41pm BST

"I simply do not know whether Nigeria or Rwanda have formally through their Synod or through a resolution in their House of Bishops have decided [to break the moratorium regarding cross-border interventions]"

What tripe. The facts on the ground - that they indeed have crossed borders repeatedly - mean nothing, unless they formally voted to do so. I don't think any have done so, but I seem to remember one or both stating that they wouldn't stop - maybe in a GAFCON press release? Somewhere else? Someone with a better memory, help me out here.

For that matter, TEC did not pass a resolution at GenCon saying "Let's consecrate a partnered Lesbian Bishop!"

We did, however, as in the case of +Gene, follow the rules and procedures of our own polity in electing and consenting the consecrating her.

Seems to me they are trying to punish us not for what we legislated, but for what we did, and will punish Nigeria/Rwanda not for what they did, but only for what they legislated, if indeed they did.

Can we say double standard? Again, what tripe.

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 2:18pm BST

The Canon seems as much a fair-minded party to this dispute to the same extent that Archbishop Duncan does. He says flat-out that the Episcopal Church does not share the faith of the Anglican Communion (thus elevating the dispute to doctrinal level).

Tell me again, *why* do we want to remain in the AC?

Posted by Bill Dilworth at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 2:49pm BST

One wonders at how apparently artlessly Canon Kearon sidesteps the "double standard" question! "We don't delve into internal events in member churches - even our own."

Posted by Marshall Scott at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 3:51pm BST

I *formally* think this hypocrisy STINKS.

Posted by JCF at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 4:02pm BST

What is or is not referred to in the Windsor Report is all very nice, but the fact remains that Nigeria, Kenya and Uganda have all initiated border crossing schemes since Windsor, and Rwanda actually started this crap well in advance of Windsor.

Since Pope Rowan and his Prefect of the Inquisition Kearon have refused to address those border crossings, it is very clear that they have no integrity at all.

Posted by Malcolm+ at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 4:31pm BST

Spot on, Cynthia.

In the farfetched hypothetical case that Canon Kearon really *doesn't" know if the CoN(AC) launched CANA, or Rwanda AMiA, what the hell is he doing as the Secretary General of anything?

Posted by Bill Dilworth at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 4:58pm BST

I never imagined that we would see, in the Mother Church of the derivative Anglican Communion, the attempted dissolution of the positive effects of the Reformation.

Just as the latest RC Pope and his Roman Curia henchmen seem intent on destroying the positive effects of Vatican II, "Pope" Rowan I and his Lambeth henchmen seem intent on going "back" to something that we never were.

If this keeps up, we will have two "Anglican Communions," one of the traditional nature led by Global North and part of Global South, and one of a fundamentalist revolution led by the Global South with part of the Global North.

Sadly, Pope Rowan I will not be allowed by either group to be their pontiff.

He can decide whether he has enough integrity to resist the arrogant bullies, because they have "impressive numbers" which seem to matter to Rowan more than integrity matters.

Posted by Jerry Hannon at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 5:33pm BST

I already did this in the thread about the VA case, but perhaps someone will point it out to Canon Kearon if it appears here:

"Its members are in full communion with constituent members of the Anglican Communion through its affiliation with the Convocation of Anglicans in North America (CANA), a missionary branch of the Church of Nigeria and other Anglican Archbishops."

Posted by Pat O'Neill at Thursday, 10 June 2010 at 7:18pm BST

I met Canon Kearon when he attended that General Convention of TEC in Columbus, Ohio -- least said, soonest mended ...
I am reminded of an episode of "Yes, Prime Minister" where Sir Humphrey Appleby demonstrated that the result of a poll depended on how a question was phrased ...
Do they really not see how contemptible they appear?

Posted by Prior Aelred at Saturday, 12 June 2010 at 2:33pm BST
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