Comments: mitres in Gloucester

Well, so much for the claims that *of course* a visiting woman bishop would never be allowed to wear a mitre in the CofE under present circumstances.

Posted by Bill Dilworth at Tuesday, 22 June 2010 at 3:00pm BST

At several levels, the most troubling comment in Bishop Perham's "Background Note" is this: "However, with all the present tensions in the Communion and with some people prepared to use legal processes to challenge bishops and others who do not follow the letter of the law, the Archbishop’s office has thought it best to ensure that the rule is strictly adhered to."

First, what legal challenges is he talking about? There's been no reporting elsewhere of this. Was a serious threat or just huffing and puffing out of some quarters of the church?

Second, why is any news about this coming from the Bishop of Gloucester and not from Lambeth? At best, it's second-hand information, which impairs its credibility and any claim to being anything else other than the passing on rumors and gossip.

Third, if true, this is a heavy-handed attempt to blackmail (perhaps too heavy a word, but it does mean "coerce by threats," which seems valid here) the ABC. I don't understand why he would put up with that kind of behavior, rather than exposing it. It seems that certain quarters of the church merely have to yell, "Boo!" and he jumps. It's rather sad and pathetic, isn't it?

Fourth, if true, why couldn't Lambeth make some kind of explantion to Jefferts Schori rather than appearing as boors? The failure to do so has been a public relations nightmare.

Putting it all together, I just don't believe this. It sounds like an after-the-fact attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

Posted by dr.primrose at Tuesday, 22 June 2010 at 4:26pm BST

'(Bishop Gerard is also presiding at the Eucharist while here, but in his case in a private chapel where no such permission is required.)'

You couldn't make this stuff up ! Hilarious ! As are most attempts by the C of E to make and keep rules. No-one bovvers with them over-much -- not even the bishops most of the time. (It is the same in the RCC people exercise as much freedom and creativity as they can -- especially in 'private chapels' of course !

Posted by Pantycelyn at Tuesday, 22 June 2010 at 4:57pm BST

I guess prosecutions in (a very traditional aka rightwing Catholic-Evangelical) God's name will become the New Anglican Norm. And threats of prosecution, too.

Alas, Elizabethan Settlement, alas, Lord have mercy.

G Santayana: Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it. Or: Those who live by the doctrine police will eventually surely die by the doctrine police.

Posted by drdanfee at Tuesday, 22 June 2010 at 6:36pm BST

I have to wonder if +Mary Grey-Reeves received her invite (or didn't have it rescinded) ONLY because she (publicly) *didn't* attend the consecration of that *other* TEC bishop in the State of California named +Mary (i.e., Glasspool, Suffragan of Los Angeles). :-/

Posted by JCF at Wednesday, 23 June 2010 at 1:15am BST

"As you will see from an update that Celeste Ventura and Channing Smith will send shortly, we are having a wonderful time in Gloucester being treated very well and shown great hospitality."

If that's meant to reassure, she really needs a staff writer.

It sounds like something said by people you generally see in a grainy video in a bare room, seated on a wooden chair, and surrounded by armed and masked men.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Wednesday, 23 June 2010 at 10:36am BST

Well, yes the bishop of Gloucester did ask her NOT to go to Mary Glasspool's Consecration...

'I have to wonder if +Mary Grey-Reeves received her invite (or didn't have it rescinded) ONLY because she (publicly) *didn't* attend the consecration of that *other* TEC bishop in the State of California named +Mary (i.e., Glasspool, Suffragan of Los Angeles). :-/ '

Posted by: JCF on Wednesday, 23 June 2010 at 1:15am BST

Posted by Pantycelyn at Wednesday, 23 June 2010 at 12:29pm BST

"First, what legal challenges is he talking about?"

- dr.primrose, on Tuesday -

Was there not some legal action taken in a certain Church of england Diocese recently, where a Bishop refused to employ a celibate gay man as a diocesan employee? I guess that was occasioned by a need to comply with the law of the land.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 24 June 2010 at 10:48am BST
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