Comments: Archbishop's presidential remarks today

Dare I suggest that in all of this the real problem is that neither side has "done the theology" but is instead dealing with the old bugbears of justice and tradition?

Frankly, I think the theology, going back to Chalcedon, is all on the side of women in the episcopate, as the opposition rests on a faulty anthropology that leads to a faulty Christology.

Posted by Tobias Haller at Monday, 12 July 2010 at 4:00pm BST

I know that Anglicans are lovers of fudge; but please! Must we fudge _everything?_ Either women can be bishops or not! Make a decision! Take a risk! But whatever you do don't end up with something along the order of "Women can be bishops except where people don't believe in it." This is a formula for failure and continued schism. You're afraid that folks will run hellbent for Rome? So what! Let them go. Perhaps they will see that what they must sacrifice to do that is too high a price to pay for their all male episcopacy desires. Or perhaps they won't. Either way it would be better for for all concerned, than to continue to fudge the issue.

Posted by Deacon Charlie Perrin at Monday, 12 July 2010 at 4:36pm BST

This reads to me like 'please tie the hangmans loose very gently'

Posted by Ed Tomlinson at Monday, 12 July 2010 at 5:05pm BST

A wise and holy man leads our Church.

Posted by Philip Hobday at Monday, 12 July 2010 at 5:19pm BST

Oh goodness sake, every hot button time so far that RW talks about mutual service or some similar plausible big tent sounding admonishment, it turns out in the end that he decodes to mean, hard service to the No Change Conservative Traditionalist Anglicans who still believe utterly horrid things about women and queer folks.

Decoder rings out, for all. Will Anglican decode in the future to mean, nothing but, Premodern?

Posted by drdanfee at Monday, 12 July 2010 at 6:59pm BST

"This reads to me like 'please tie the hangmans loose very gently'"

...around the necks of women-called-to-holy-orders. [Minor slip-up you forgot that last part, Ed T?]

OK, OK, seriously: Ed T played the Hyperbolic Victim Game, and I shamelessly joined in. Mea Culpa.

Posted by JCF at Monday, 12 July 2010 at 10:26pm BST

I believe the actions of the Synod will lead to open discussion of women deacons, priests and bishops in the Roman Catholic Church whether the current Bishop of Rome likes it or not. This is truly wonderful news for the so called Vatican II Catholic movement because the very fact that the Church of England Synod has moved in this direction today will open a free discussion on the same topic for Roman Catholics who have prayed for the same to happen in the Latin Rite Churches. Those Christians who oppose full and equal access to women in the three ordained ministries are ultimately going to appear as misogynists and elitists with a profoundly patriarchal consciousness that does not reflect the example of Jesus. I salute the Anglicans in this Synod for their actions of justice and equal treatment for women in all of Christ's ordained ministries. This is a wonderful moment for Christ's Church on earth.

Posted by Chris Smith at Monday, 12 July 2010 at 11:21pm BST

Chris, you can call us misogynists and homophobes...or even paedophiles. A previous generation called us Papists and Romanists, but no amount of name calling will change the Catholic Church. Our mandate comes down from God, and yours up from the people.

This week in Synod marks out the Church built on sand to the household of faith built on the rock.

The matter of women's ordination is not open for debate in the Catholic Church as the last Pope made clear, when he declared that in his capacity of confirming the brethren, the matter was not open for discussion.

Posted by Robert Ian Williams at Tuesday, 13 July 2010 at 8:47pm BST

"The matter of women's ordination is not open for debate in the Catholic Church as the last Pope made clear, when he declared that in his capacity of confirming the brethren, the matter was not open for discussion."

It may not be open to debate in the ROMAN Catholic Church, but I assure you that it is very much open to debate everywhere else. The Bishop of Rome, while being the occupant of one of the preeminant Sees of the Church, has no real authority outside of his See. And in spite of what Rome may claim, they do not speak for the whole church. The Church Catholic is far larger than they are willing to admit.

Posted by Deacon Charlie Perrin at Wednesday, 14 July 2010 at 3:35pm BST

Robert Ian Williams writes: "Our mandate comes down from God...." Do you really believe that Jesus EXCLUDES women from the same ministries as men? This "mandate" argument doesn't fly in most branches of Christianity, and just because this has been the era of two reactionary and restorationist popes, does not mean that the discussion of women's ordination in the Catholic Church is closed. There are many Catholic bishops who believe that women should be ordained to ALL ministries and as soon as the Holy Spirit provides the Roman Catholic Church with one of these bishops who will sit in the Chair of Peter, the entire issue will be addressed in a fair and just fashion as it is now be addressed by our Anglican sisters and brothers. People who are against women's admission to Holy Orders will then have to leave and start a "true" Church all of their own. The arguments against women's ordination are just so meritless and void of sound theology that time will change the entire discussion in Roman Catholicism and people like Mr. Williams will become cult followers such as the group in France that still do not recognize the current Bishop of Rome. Ratzinger and his reactionary followers are wrong on this issue and they will not be judged well by history. Most people do not buy the argument of your very own special pipeline to God, Mr. Williams. God is an equal opportunity employer. Get with the program.

Posted by Chris Smith at Wednesday, 14 July 2010 at 5:08pm BST

"Our mandate comes down from God, and yours up from the people."

As has claimed EVERY cult member, EVER. Lather, Rinse, Repeat...

Posted by JCF at Thursday, 15 July 2010 at 2:01am BST
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