Comments: opinion at the beginning of August

I liked Giles Fraser's piece on Mary Magdalene. For me, John 20:11-16 makes Mary Magdalene human to the point I feel I can almost touch her. Her grief, her distress, and finally, her overwhelming relief when awareness dawns.
Between the various gospels, Mary and other women see and believe, then they tell the men, ... and the men question the women's experience or they have to see for themselves. I've thought of several wry and rude comments over the years, but I'll refrain.
Women, including the much-maligned Mary Magdalene, were the first witnesses, the first believers, and the men seem like so many Johnny-come-latelies.

Posted by peterpi at Saturday, 7 August 2010 at 9:01pm BST

Fr. Giles Fraser raises the point that, in the Pope's latest publication about the friends of Jesus, he omits to mention Mary Magdalene. Not too surprising that - especially in the light of the Roman Catholic Church's traditional attitude towards the ministry of Women in The Church.

Mary Magdalene's significance as a female disciple and apostle of Jesus, sadly and misogynistically, has been ignored by Rome - in its lack of discernment of the need to harness the particular gifts of the female contribution to apostolic ministry in the ongoing mission of the Church. The original male apostles were not ready for Mary's apostolic role - neither is Rome today.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Saturday, 7 August 2010 at 9:23pm BST

John Milbank seems to be on his own Anglican and ecumenical island, misreading Roman Catholicism. misreading Forward in Faith, and actually I think misreading postmodernism.

Posted by Pluralist at Monday, 9 August 2010 at 4:16am BST

Ron, I fear you confuse apostolic ministry with Apostolic order and the quorum of the twelve.

Posted by Robert Ian Williams at Monday, 9 August 2010 at 8:29pm BST

Here's the follow-up of the pope's book, "The other friends of Jesus"

Posted by Bosco Peters at Wednesday, 11 August 2010 at 9:08am BST

"Ron, I fear you confuse apostolic ministry with Apostolic order and the quorum of the twelve."

- Robert I. Williams -

Robert, in reply to this last statement; one might respond with the phrase 'Apostolic is, as Apostolic does' - in other words, Apostolic action is sometime more important in the Mission of Christ than the notion of 'Apostolic order' (in the way that you have represented it).

A pity that your idea of what you have called *The quorum of the Twelve*, could be seen to be exclusive of any subsequent ministers or ministry
- especially that of the Apostle Paul. (And, for that matter, of any subsequent 'Holy Fathers' - or 'Holy Mothers'.)

Another matter, Robert, concerns your habit of referring to the Roman Catholic Church as simply The 'Catholic' Church. History tells us that the Roman Church is but one part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Christ. Ask any Greek, Russian or Coptic Orthodox priest.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Saturday, 14 August 2010 at 11:56am BST
Post a comment

Remember personal info?

Please note that comments are limited to 400 words. Comments that are longer than 400 words will not be approved.

Cookies are used to remember your personal information between visits to the site. This information is stored on your computer and used to refill the text boxes on your next visit. Any cookie is deleted if you select 'No'. By ticking 'Yes' you agree to this use of a cookie by this site. No third-party cookies are used, and cookies are not used for analytical, advertising, or other purposes.