Comments: General Synod - November 2010 - full agenda published

"Forceful...affection" = date rape? Perhaps the Covenant should come with a supply of Ruffies, though given the evidence of Anglican amnesia -- witness the vagueness and unpredictability in the accompanying briefing paper GS Misc 966, perhaps a hypnotic isn't necessary.

Posted by Tobias Stanislas Haller at Monday, 1 November 2010 at 2:22pm GMT

"...which govern the relationships between the Churches of the Anglican Communion"

Is this a slip of the pen, or is usage different over there? In American English "between" is used with two things, "among" with more than two.

Or was it a psychological slip meaning between Canterbury and the rest of us, considered as one lump?

"Forcefull .... affection" strikes me as odd also. "You WILL LOVE Big Brother!"

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Monday, 1 November 2010 at 4:38pm GMT

I wonder if anyone at Synod will have the guts to bring up the pogrom being ginned up in Uganda, where Rowan's friends are at it again:

Posted by JPM at Monday, 1 November 2010 at 6:50pm GMT

Yes they can share the Church...but the vicarage (and this is the key point ) will be for the Anglican vicar!

Posted by Robert ian Williams at Monday, 1 November 2010 at 8:29pm GMT


There's nothing wrong in British English with "between" as used here. I've found this quotation from the OED: "In all senses, _between_ has been, from its earliest appearance, extended to more than two ... It is still the only word available to express the relation of a thing to many surrounding things severally and individually, _among_ expressing a relation to them collectively and vaguely." That's precisely the meaning of _between_ which is, I think, intended here.

Posted by Peter Owen at Monday, 1 November 2010 at 10:28pm GMT

"The House of Bishops agreed in May to commend the Covenant to the Synod for adoption; and the Synod is now being asked to approve the draft Act of Synod which will be required to express the Church of England’s agreement. At the November group of sessions, Synod will be asked to formally consider the Covenant, before it is referred to dioceses," - C.of E. Press Release -

The fact that 'The House of Bishops agreed to commend the Covenant to the Synod for adoption' seems to almost guarantee the foregone conclusion that General Synod will 'adopt' the covenant, no matter what arguments in General Synod (and also subsequent Diocesan Synods) may be raised against it!

On the one hand, the Bishops 'commend the Covenant for adoption' while on the other, they have to 'ask Synod' to 'approve the draft act of Synod which will 'be required' to express the Church of England's agreement. This does seem to suggest that Synod is alomost bound to accept the
decision of the H.o.B. to approve the Covenant.

If General Synod is just expected to rubber stamp a decision already made by the House of Bishops, this seems to negate the power of the General Synod to make up it's own mind on the subject. Not much collegiality here!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Monday, 1 November 2010 at 10:47pm GMT

Please, General Synod, don't build this wall!

Posted by Tobias Haller at Tuesday, 2 November 2010 at 2:21pm GMT

Peter - thanks. Once again divided by a common language!

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Tuesday, 2 November 2010 at 5:06pm GMT

[@ T Haller: "date rape." Horribly, you have NAILED it.]

"The idea of an Anglican Communion Covenant was first proposed in the Windsor report of 2004, following developments in relation to same-sex partnerships in North America."

Does this preamble not really tell one ALL one needs to know, that this "Covenant" (more like "The Godfather"'s "offer you cannot refuse") is a BAD IDEA? In short, "Let's make a Covenant, because---somewhere---same-sex couples are making (actual!) covenants. And we're agin' 'em!"

Lord have mercy...

Posted by JCF at Tuesday, 2 November 2010 at 9:07pm GMT
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