Comments: Is the Anglican Covenant Catholic?

This bit is surely right, and what the Camerons and Goddards seem to be denying:

it is at heart a document about how to tell when people don’t belong to the visible institution, and only a Reformation ecclesiology can do this with sufficient clarity.

Posted by Pluralist at Friday, 5 November 2010 at 8:49pm GMT

Be sure to check out More Than a Via Media's response to Fr. Duckett's piece entitled "Covenant, Catholicity, and Eucharist" at http://morethanaviamedia.blogspot.com/2010/11/covenant-catholicity-and-eucharist.html

Posted by Bryan Owen at Saturday, 6 November 2010 at 3:01am GMT

Incoherence at the heart of Anglicanism...surely not!

Posted by Ed Tomlinson at Saturday, 6 November 2010 at 7:58am GMT

"incoherence"? - Well ..... apparently not if one accepts (along with that naughty Kaspar) the MTAVM version.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Saturday, 6 November 2010 at 9:42am GMT

It is at heart a document about how to tell when people don’t belong to the visible institution, and only a Reformation ecclesiology can do this with sufficient clarity.

Posted by: Pluralist on Friday, 5 November 2010

The BCP makes it clear that we are all parishioners, - we all belong.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Saturday, 6 November 2010 at 12:04pm GMT

Incoherence at the heart of Anglicanism...surely not!

Posted by: Ed Tomlinson on Saturday, 6 November 2010

Ed you have shocked me !

An 'Protestant-Catholic' entity that emerged from a king's lust for a son and women, and on his practice of divorce, and other forms of wife elimination !

Next someone will be asserting the incoherence(s) at the heart of Christianity itself, in all its expressions.


Posted by Laurence Roberts at Saturday, 6 November 2010 at 12:11pm GMT

I've posted a reply to More Than a Via Media, awaiting approval there so copied at my original post as a comment.

Posted by Matthew Duckett at Saturday, 6 November 2010 at 3:47pm GMT

Matthew Duckett makes an important point. The Eucharist is indeed downplayed, and at times might seem a reward for, and consolidation of, being an 'insider'. But it seems to me (though I am no expert) that the Covenant is different from many Reformed ecclesiologies in that there is not (as yet) a detailed statement of belief to which one is expected to conform, and which at least offers ground for debate: instead conformity to whatever the Instruments of Communion dictate at any time may become a test of orthodoxy. For instance, according to 3.1.2, 'Trusting in the Holy Spirit... we seek to affirm our common life through those Instruments of Communion by which our Churches are enabled to be conformed together to the mind of Christ.'

This is borne out by the current situation. Though I am no admirer of the leaders of the Southern Cone, the reason why this province has been punished while Nigeria, say, has not suggests that failure to respond in a timely manner to a letter is a more serious offence in the new Anglican order than border-crossing, offences against charity involved in encouraging human rights abuses etc.

Posted by Savi H at Saturday, 6 November 2010 at 10:24pm GMT

It is surely true that a Church that resists reformation is a dead church. To insist on a monochrome conformity to established dogma can become a recipe for decay. Ministry can only be performed within a local context. Doctrines are basic - but not the ways of understnasding their meaning in today's world. 'Semper Reformanda' - This is not a covenantal charism.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 7 November 2010 at 9:00am GMT
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