Comments: Archbishop of Canterbury in Rome

"I don't at all like, or want to encourage, the idea of a multi-tier organisation. But that would, in my mind, be preferable to complete chaos and fragmentation. It's about agreeing what we could do together."

"What we could do together" was decided at Dromantine & Dar-es-Salaam, when a significant number of grandstanding Global South primates refused to take communion with the Canadian & TEC primates from the ABC's hands. A "multi-tier organization" can also be viewed as a Circle of Hell.

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 7:38am GMT

Cause and effect. Cause and effect

Posted by Ed Tomlinson at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 8:37am GMT

What Lapin said!

Posted by Göran Koch-Swahne at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 10:12am GMT

"For the first time, the Archbishop suggested that worshipers (sic) who join the Ordinariate could be allowed to stay in their Anglican churches under a plan to let Roman Catholics share Church of England facilities."

- Tim Ross, in the Telegraph -

This sounds like a problemaitc situation with regard to those in the remaining congregation who may not want to be forced to share their church space with defectors from the parish. Surely, the better way would be for the Roman Catholic Church to provde hospitality to the new breed os R.C.s in their own buildings? This would then not blur the edges of 'who owns the buildings'.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 10:49am GMT

Ron, I think much is going to depend on local situations. In many places ordinariate congregations will use RC Churches. But in some places other options will be explored. In particular, there are going to be cases where 80% or more of a congregation joins the ordinariate and this is going to have a serious effect on the small group remaining Anglican - especially if the Ordinariate group has the main financial givers or the key doers from the original parish. The small group will want to retain its parish church and the non-churchgoing local population will also wish to retain "hatch, match and despatch" rights. With a financial contribution from the ordinariate congregation and with ordinariate folk "mucking in" with general jobs about the place - the anglican remnant has far more chance of being viable.

The key thing will be if real agreements can be established between adults rather than the childish squabbling and endless litigation which seems to have prevailed on other shores.

Posted by David Malloch at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 2:13pm GMT

Well said David Malloch! Fr Ron Smith is perhaps forgetting that there are already happy and successful Church-shares in operation, including RC/Anglican shares. Here in the inner-city, Churches are often used by other ecclesial groups on Sunday afternoons and pay for the use of an otherwise empty building. It would be perverse if the members of the Ordinariate were the only groups who could not use the buildings! Please find it in your heart, like the Archbishop, to be generous to those of us contemplating leaving the Church of our Birth.

Posted by Christopher Smith at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 6:52pm GMT

"Cause and effect. Cause and effect"

That was the sum total of Ed Tomlinson's post at 08:37 GMT.

I am tempted to respond simply "Potato and chips. Potato and chips," but will instead ask if anyone has an idea what he is talking about?

Posted by Jerry Hannon at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 11:12pm GMT

Ed's comment reminded me of the Penguins of Madagascar cartoon, where one of Skipper's oft repeated lines is: "Cute and cuddly boys. Cute and cuddly."

Posted by Malcolm+ at Saturday, 20 November 2010 at 5:41am GMT

Jerry and Malcolm,

Maybe it's like that old song "Sweet and Low"

Then again, maybe he's decided to become Buddhist and is promulgating the main principals of karma.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Tuesday, 23 November 2010 at 6:16am GMT
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