Comments: Covenant - a waste of time and money

The Covenant was originally proposed as a way of bringing The Episcopal Church (of the United States of America) into line. It was wanted by certain Provinces which have shown they are unwilling to abide by the Windsor moratoria that apply to them, to desist from cross-border actions in other Churches of the Anglican Communion.

Given their unwillingness to abide by agreements their Primates have signed up to what right have they to impose their will on others? Should General Synod give credence to this toothless document by signing up to it next week or not? Personally I agree that it is a waste of effort even to consider it.

Posted by Roger Stokes at Thursday, 18 November 2010 at 11:51pm GMT

As we cannot even agree as to what the Covenant means, or whether to sign on or not, why should anyone imagine it will help us come to agreement on anything else?

Posted by Tobias Haller at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 12:34am GMT

The Anglican Communion ¨covenant¨ punishing potential makes me sad.

The St.Andrews draft of the Anglican Communion Covenant is a premeditated and dangerous contract that will further harm many of us who have been hurt, demonized and ostracized at The Body of Christ and beyond already.

We are your sisters, brothers, cousins, coworkers and best friends...we live amongst you in our Anglican families in Africa, in Asia, in Latin America, in North America and Europe and way down under too--we are not different than you, we are with you this moment and have been always--we have shared our lives with all of you for lifetimes...we no longer want to hide or pretend we are not at your side and most of us ¨we´s¨ do not want to further deceive you by pretending we are different than we really are.

The God that I understand wants me to be the authentic person that God created me, and people like me, to be--we are striving to be responsible and fully accountable before you and God there are few secrets anymore that we wish to tolerate.

Please let us stay amongst you. Please help us by not seperating us from you at The Anglican Communion.

Comprehensive Unity amongst ALL is our quest.

Lord hear my prayer

Leonardo Ricardo, Central America

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 1:24am GMT

I respect and applaud the comments in this thread by Roger Stokes. I sincerely agree with Mr. Stokes. "The Covenant" is indeed a waste of time and money. I hope it is defeated.

Posted by Chris Smith at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 2:56am GMT

Maybe, just maybe, the Communion is right where we ought to be?

Posted by Fred Schwartz at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 4:38am GMT

"Yes, there are problems in the Anglican Communion. No, the covenant is not the solution. The only way forward is to establish the principle that these are issues on which it is OK for Anglicans to disagree with each other. And carry on talking."

- Simon Sarmiento, C.i.F Belief -

Simon, this last paragraph of your article puts everything into its proper context.

If Global South people are not going to sign on to the Covenant - because of their culpability on the matter of illict border-crossing - and those of us who support the action of TEC and the A.C.of C. don't sign, then all that is left are those sitting on the fence. And what sort of witness does that give to a world hungry for justice?

The Covenant is simply too complicated, and will not do the task it was designed for - that is, IF it was designed to bring parties together. One is entitled to wonder if, in fact, that was the aim.

All that is left is to continue in communion and conversation with those who will talk to one another - who will on certain issues be willing to agree to disagree - and still be part of the Anglican Communion, with a broader membership.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 10:41am GMT

Simon, this was a very good article. Thank you.

The GAFCON/FCA Primates Council is quoted as saying: “The Anglican Communion will only be able to fulfil its gospel mandate if it understands itself to be a community gathered around a confession of faith." Um, no. Gentlemen, your grade for Church History 103 is D-minus. Rewrite this paper and have it on my desk by Monday morning. The history of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries suggests that as a way to foster the unity of the church and to support the fulfilling of the gospel mandate, “confessions of faith” (beyond the Nicene Creed) are a mixed bag. The distinctive charism of Anglicanism is precisely that it is NOT a “community gathered around a confession of faith” but a community gathered around the Table of the Lord. (What is it about the Elizabethan Settlement that you don’t understand?)

Posted by Bill Moorhead at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 3:55pm GMT

'The only way forward is to establish the principle that these are issues on which it is OK for Anglicans to disagree with each other. And carry on talking.'

I largely agree. But the principle has a downside - which I think one has to embrace through gritted teeth: toleration of things one thinks wrong (in some sense or senses). Purely for example: the right of FiF people who wish to remain within the C of E to have what they regard (not what we regard) as adequate protection for their position. Where I don't agree, is that sometimes 'keeping talking' just keeps the pot unhelpfully boiling. If there is NEVER going to be any possibility of persuading everybody of the justification of WO or of gay orders, then it's better to 'park' such things.

Posted by john at Friday, 19 November 2010 at 4:18pm GMT

If the Anglican Communion is to be a community gathered around a confession of faith then is is pretty obvious I would have thought that the Church of England won't be part of it...nor Wales, Scotland, TEC, Canada etc etc

Posted by Perry Butler at Saturday, 20 November 2010 at 12:08pm GMT
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