Comments: General Synod - Tuesday press reports

It's really quite simple: If your Sovereign and Head of the Church of England can be a woman, then your bishop can be a woman.

Posted by pete at Tuesday, 23 November 2010 at 8:53pm GMT

"The Queen referred to this tension in her address, saying synod had "many issues to resolve" in order to remain "equipped for the effective pursuit of its mission and ministry", but that this difficulty might in fact revitalise the church.

- Riazat Butt, Guardian article -

Riazat always manages to give a well-rounded account in her observation of religious goings-on in the Church. No doubt Her Majesty, the Queen, has been made well aware of the issues that will be coming to the fore in Synod debates this week. Her understanding, for instance, of female head-ship, is probably more acute that that of anyone else in Synod. I'm sure she would want the church of England to be pro-active in its recognition of the value of women in the ministry of the Church.

Also, her remark about religious people not having a moopoly on the excercise of virtue, ought to caution Synod about the need to overcome any reticence to the acceptance of the LGBT community into the life and ministry of the Church. Being acutely intelligent, Her Majesty would also be aware of the impact of a magisterial role for prelates of the Communion - over the discipline and life of Provinces of the Church that fall within her purview of the Commonwealth. Added to which, she may have fears of the implications of that disciplinary power, which, in the hands of foreign Primates, could conceivably downgrade the place of the C.of E. in the world-wide Communion.

One can only pray for the Holy Spirit to hover over the deliberations of General Synod,helping to bring about a just and salvific outcome for the Church, and the World it is called to serve.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 23 November 2010 at 10:59pm GMT

"Anglican provinces would only belong to the communion if they signed up to the covenant, he (the ABC) said. They would agree not to proceed with any development that fellow members anywhere in the world objected to."

- Stephen Bates & Riazat Butt, Guardian -

In this 'Guardian' report on his address to the General Synod, the Archbishop of Canterbury seems to be saying that, unless individual Provinces sign up to the Covenant document they would no longer be part of the Anglican Communion! This seems to indicate a desperate attempt to 'Rally the Troops' in support of The Covenant. OR, am I misreading this?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 23 November 2010 at 11:16pm GMT

So true, Pete! I am hoping one of the first women bishops in The Church of England may advance rapidly to become one of the first Church of England's Archbishops. I also thought Queen Elizabeth's comments were genuine and hopefully someday she will stand up in a more vocal manner, by fully endorsing women and glbt people in all ordained ministries in the CofE. I thought her comments today were quite pastoral.

Posted by Chris Smith at Tuesday, 23 November 2010 at 11:59pm GMT

"A senior church official told the Guardian: 'There is no Plan B. If this (the Covenant) falls, the communion is in ruins.'"

I would expect the communion to be more or less in ruins whether the Covenant passes in the CofE and the majority of Anglican Churches, or not.
A communion ruled by fundamentalist and homophobic prelates sounds like "in ruins" to me.

+RW, "It" (I gather the "battle" previously referred to, or the issue of inclusion of LGBT persons in the Churches of the Communion) "is unthinkingly regarded by others as one of those matters on which the church must be brought into line with what our culture can make sense of." Is this statement the best that the usually murky Williams can do? It is a right wing Christian talking-point that the liberals make their theology based on "what our culture can make sense of." "Unthinking", really?It would be fair to say that both groups within the Churches work with different views of hermeneutics, rather than trivialize a liberationist view of the Gospel. For some reason, liberation theology seems to make little sense to prelates anywhere in the world.

Posted by karen macqueen+ at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 12:48am GMT

Jolly good comment, karen macqueen+.

Posted by john at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 10:34am GMT

I believe the reason "Liberation Theology" threatens the imperial model of hierarchy is because it threatens the status quo. It shakes up the mix and brings more power and voice to the People of God in the pews. Archbishop Rowan Williams is sounding more and more like a Roman Catholic prelate with his "piece by piece dissolution" speech. I detect fear as his motivating factor and it saddens me that such a great mind as his has become so hard wired in favor of a central authority and magesterium. The big question I have is why does Archbishop Williams stay in office if he feels so strongly about establishing a Roman system when the rest of the Church rejects such a failed model? I just do not get it. I mean no disrespect.

Posted by Chris Smith at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 3:39pm GMT
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