Comments: Covenant - Tuesday roundup

From the TEC perspective, the covenant's dead. Even if our bishops sign on, they'll be signing up themselves and empty churches, because we *are* a liberal church, and we can - in this country - go ahead and take our priests and start new parishes. The Old Catholics will be glad to have their ranks swelled, the Lutherans and Mennonites don't care about our bishops. So, all that will happen is TEC will be freed of a dusty relic of anglophilic empire.

The "followers" the covenanters will get may be given the "official" brand of Anglican - so what? It won't matter in our courts, which look askance at handing over US property to foreigners, anyway. The "branding" won't help - the pull away from centralized authority by a group of malcontents will continue. Those who are - basically - a protestant evangelical orgnization have no use for headmen in different countries. The U. S. right wing has no concern for, and a deep suspicion of, hierarchical, liturgical churches - the "anglicanism" left after the covenant drives TEC away will shrink to a right wing cult in the United States.

As Republicans have insured the concentration of wealth in a very few hands, though, the nightmare will still grind on, and the rest of the world will be more dominated than ever. The coup being accomplished, African bishops will quickly find that their buddies in America don't return their calls. If Uganda or Rwanda or Nigeria tries to force their will on these privileged fat white men, they'll find their money withdrawn. Millions will continue to die there, while a few sell their people for an invitation "up to the big house." Conservative Americans will have their African slaves again, and the lion will become the prey.

In short, sign the covenant - and you'll get the U. S. A. the rest of the world stereotyped, and will have worked hard to get that U. S. A.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 5:34am GMT

Just as the Covenant is designed to create second class Anglicans - so to the Ordinariate will create second class Roman Catholics.

Posted by Father David at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 5:54am GMT

"The covenant is a document that sets forth a system for adjudicating disputes based on criteria that are almost entirely subjective and ad hoc." - Jim Naughton, 'Episcopal Cafe' -

The Provinces of the Global South, themselves, (according to David Virtue of virtueonline) have no intention of signing up to the Covenant anyway, so what now can be the objective of committing the rest of the Provinces to subjective criteria that can outlaw their actions willy nilly?

From that veraciously anti-TEC web-site, it is obvious that the Global South Primates are planning to go it alone, in their plan to usurp the patrimony of the Anglican Communion, by the fruits of their incursions into North America to set up their own substitute territories.

If that happens, the communion ties may just as well stay as they are - flexible and graternal.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 9:52am GMT

If one wishes to be a Thinking Anglican, Geyer's essay is a must. I have my own take on Reason in Hooker in my book, Word Without End (1998).
I see the covenant has passed and by a whopping margin.

Posted by cseitz at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 1:41pm GMT

Yes, Mr Seitz, and as a part of the founding ethos of that Covenant - with the ACO - on the grounds of your needing to be safe from gay cooties, how can you now be pleased that your most loyal followers in the Global South - have rejected the Covenant? What, really would you like to happen in the world-wide Communion? Presumably, you and the ACO are going stand out like a sore thumb in the US, with only ACNA and Robbie Duncan to sustain you.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 25 November 2010 at 10:21am GMT

I did not realise how out of touch you were re: ACI's relations with ACNA and Gafcon (which is only part of the Gs).

Posted by cseitz at Friday, 26 November 2010 at 12:37pm GMT

It just goes to show how our haste to comment often turns against us. I meant, of course, to comment on the machinations of the ACI - 'Anglican Communion Institute' - self-styled - not the ACO - 'Anglican Communion Office'

In any event, it looks like ACNA and the Global South are set to go it alone. Are you and the ACI going to set up shop with them, Christopher?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Friday, 26 November 2010 at 10:03pm GMT

Ron--I am now just repeating myself; see my previous remark. I did not realise how out of touch you are about the ACI and its ecclesiology. 'Set up shop' with ACNA and the Global South? The GS is not monolithic and it is not Gafcon. ACI is not 'setting up shop' with ACNA, with Gafcon, nor with the GS tout court, as it is not a single bloc. I don't understand your question, but let's just leave it before more confusion is introduced as you seek to score some odd points. grace and peace.

Posted by cseitz at Saturday, 27 November 2010 at 10:17pm GMT
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