Comments: General Synod: Anglican Covenant debate

I have been reflecting this morning on the scripture reading for today from the daily office I follow, 'Celebrating Common Prayer'.

These thoughts come to me in the silence and the peace, after reading and reflecting on Ezekiel 37:24-28

"I will make a covenant of peace with you," says God. "It will be an everlasting covenant. My dwelling place will be with you. I will live within you and make a sanctuary of your souls. I will be your God, and you will be my people. I will dwell with you and make my sanctuary with you forever. You will be one people and I will be your sovereign and your God. Never again will you be divided. I will call home people from far off. I will return those who were far from me. I will restore you in my love, and make you clean, and make you whole."

"I will make a covenant of peace with you," says God. "It will be an everlasting covenant. My dwelling place will be with you. I will live within you and make a sanctuary of your souls. I will be your God, and you will be my people."

Posted by Susannah Clark at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 3:08pm GMT

So, please remind an American where the process goes from here?

And, one wonders what will come in general, and in English discussions, of the statement of the GAFCON primates that they cannot adopt the Covenant as presented.

Posted by Marshall Scott at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 3:23pm GMT

Is it possible to know how the vote broke down according to diocese, parish, and/or individual?

Posted by eponym at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 3:35pm GMT

And the response to the GAFCON "Oxford" statement?? How long will Rowan Williams be able to maintain leadership after this rejection of the Covenant by Gafcon??

Posted by ettu at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 4:04pm GMT

@Marshall Scott: My guess is that the Anglican Covenant has now acquired the kind of status possessed by certain international treaties. That is, many nations will sign on, in order to express the correctness of their sentiments, but in the knowledge that the treaty is utterly without effect, because a core group refused to ratify.

Posted by Charlotte at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 4:33pm GMT

Marshall

General Synod has voted to send the Covenant proposal to all Diocesan Synods, thereby giving a much wider number of people the chance to look at it and to vote on it.

Diocesan Synods must approve it with a 51% majority by 2012 when General Synod will vote on it again.

Posted by Erika Baker at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 4:48pm GMT

Marshall

Apologies, I made a mistake there.
The draft Act of Synod now goes to the 44 diocesan synods, 51% of them must approve it.
Then General Synod votes again.

Posted by Erika Baker at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 4:49pm GMT

Well the GAFCON Primates timed their press release pretty well. We know the United Churches of N and S India have said they cannot sign up to the Covenant. We have yet to hear from the "liberal " provinces but it is quite likely that TEC and Canada wont sign.nor Scotland probably, nor NZ.Just how many will? And even those who do ( eg Mexico) are never going to see their signing the Covenant as involving breaking communion with TEC.As a way of bringing coherence to an ever fragmenting Communion it simply isnt going to work...yet the Abp et al soldier on.....it really is sad.It must be obvious now that GAFCON sees itself as the "true" Anglican Communion rooted in a confession of faith that would seem to drag the Communion back to the 16c and anchor it there..despite decades of ecumenical endeavour between Anglicans/RC's/Lutherans/Orthodox/ Reformed which has tried to get behind these 16c divisions..where do we go from here folks? any suggestions for possible Anglican scenarios in 2020????

Posted by Perry Butler at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 5:21pm GMT

"It is RESOLVED that the Church of England hereby enters into and adopts the Anglican Covenant - and
solemnly covenants with the other Churches which enter into and adopt it in making the affirmations and commitments that it contains."

Di this resolution happen BEFORE or AFTER the statement from the Provinces of the Global South that they would not sign up to it? For my, the timing is important because, if the answer is
AFTER - then the Church of England is willing to make a Solemn Covenant with everyone in the Communion - except the Global South Provinces!

That might just be a Covenantal Relationship of a different colour - from that of the original intention, which was, presumably to keep the Global South Churches IN, while keeping TEC the A.C,of C. and the Rest of Us OUT.

This new Communion Fellowship would have much more chance of ensuring that the gospel of OLJC is preached to ALL, than any sodality which includes the puritanical, sola-Scriptura Provinces of the Global South.

Another thing: Does this mean the parting of the ways between the Anglican Diocese of Sydney and the Anglican Province of Australia? That could be quite beneficial, methinks, for all concerned.
R,

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 9:24pm GMT

That's all beautiful. Thanks. Especially 'and make a sanctuary of your souls'.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 9:37pm GMT

So the Covenant's being "considered." But that's not the same as "adopted" is it? (Or does one basically guarantee the other? O_o)

Simon, help an Ignorant (and Confused) Yank out!

Posted by JCF at Wednesday, 24 November 2010 at 9:43pm GMT

To answer a number of queries above.

There are several stages before the Church of England adopts the Covenant.

1) The draft Act of Synod (the means by which the covenant is to be adopted) is considered by General Synod.

2) If Synod votes to consider the draft Act, it then votes on any proposed amendments.

[Synod completed stages 2 and 3 today.]

3) The draft Act of Synod then goes to diocesan synods. A majority must vote in favour in order to proceed to stage 4.

4) The House of Bishops must then agree to return the business to Synod.

5) The Convocations* and the House of Laity may require the business to be referred to them, and it is possible for the Convocations or the House of Laity to stop further consideration until a new Synod has come into being.

6) A motion can then be put to General Synod to finally approve the Act of Synod. If this is passed then the CofE will have adopted the Covenant.

To answer JCF, consideration starts off the procedure above. Voting to consider a draft does not commit anyone to vote for final approval.

To answer Ron Smith, the GAFCON rejection of the Covenant became known towards the end of this morning's debate. It is likely that few members were aware of this when they voted. Certainly nothing was said about it in the debate.

*The two Convocations are the bishops and clergy of the provinces of Canterbury and York.

Posted by Peter Owen at Thursday, 25 November 2010 at 12:07am GMT

Howdy to Perry Butler. Will Canada sign on? To date, there is no clear process mapped out here for a transparent process to study and consider the covenant diocese by diocese with feedback to Canada's next General Synod in 2013. Unless one is developed, then I suspect there will be some dioceses that study the covenant in depth, others that will banter it about, and some that will do nothing. Feed back will be undifferentiated, a top down resolution will be developed, and in the end Canada's GS may will sign. There will be some sort of spin about how on the one hand it changes nothing but is of the Spirit notwithstanding. I'm lighting a novena lamp and praying that I am wrong. Despite the criticism of the ABC, there does appear to be an actual process in England to move the issue into diocesan forums. The fatal flaw appears to be, that as in all things that are primarily political, votes tend to be about loyalty over substance. On a related note, It was good to see Her Majesty open your synod. She seemed to be something of a non-anxious presence in the wake of the hysteria over defections to Rome.

Posted by Rod Gillis at Thursday, 25 November 2010 at 2:01am GMT

Whatever the Church of England decides, whether to accept or to reject the Covenant - after the due consideration by the dioceses is completed - it may be that the Covenant Document will still not be what other Provinces of the Communion really want. Now that the Global South is out of contention, perhaps it would be best to just let each of the Provinces carry out the work of the Gospel in situ - as we have done (in the case of New Zealand), fairly successfully, for 160 years!

Each of the Overseas Provinces of the Communion has their own Statutes and General Synods, so why can we not just continue doing what we have been pretty good at doing over the last 150 years; and without having to run to 'Mummy' for funds to help us survive and grow. We now have our very own bishops and archbishops, and we all have our own 'mission areas' for which we have made ourselves responsible for most of the time we have been in existence; and although we have enjoyed (and still do enjoy) our filial relation-ship to the See of Canterbury, and to other fellow anglicans around the world, we do have to rely on God to locally equip us for the mission in our own respective parts of the world.

We do not need a disciplinary Covenant to help us to be God's Children where we are!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 25 November 2010 at 10:13am GMT
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