Comments: Yorkshire - Dioceses Commission reports

"Overall, the diocese would have the same number of bishops as the current three dioceses but one fewer archdeacon."

Feeble. As has been pointed out elsewhere, over the last 150 years, the number of faithful laypeople in the pews has plummeted, the number of full-time clergy steadily declined and yet the number of bishops increased threefold.

Posted by Fr Mark at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 12:36pm GMT

From Bradford diocese:
http://bradford.anglican.org/news/story.php?PageID=10120966250

A Letter from the Rt Revd David Hope

Dear Colleagues

The attached Review Report from the Dioceses Commission on the future of the Yorkshire Dioceses was received yesterday and I met with the Bishop's Staff to have a preliminary look at the document. We welcome the priority the report places on mission and outreach as we discuss possible reshaping of Diocesan boundaries.

Whilst, at this early stage, we are not entirely convinced that the proposals are the best way forward, and we would wish to correct a number of the assumptions and comments in the report about our diocese, it is important that everyone should read the report prayerfully and in due course feel able to contribute to the ensuing debate.

There will be an opportunity to discuss this in each deanery with feedback given to the March Diocesan Synod. We would also welcome and encourage every PCC to discuss this report, even if they are not directly affected.

We consider that this is an opportunity for everyone to help shape the future and look forward to receiving your comments in the Diocesan Office by 25 February 2011.

With best wishes
Yours sincerely
David Hope
Assistant Bishop

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 1:10pm GMT

Ripon press release
http://www.riponleeds.anglican.org/news_291.html

...Commenting, the Rt. Revd John Packer said, “I want to welcome the Report, and thank its authors for the thoroughness and time spent in its preparation. It is important to stress that these proposals will not affect in any way the church's commitment to a Christian presence and pastoral care in every parish of West and North Yorkshire. I hope that the report will be discussed positively across the diocese bearing in mind that the guiding principle of the Dioceses Commission is the mission of the Church of England, pastoral, evangelistic, social and ecumenical. There may be aspects of the report where we would want to offer other solutions, but this period of consultation means that we can discuss all the suggestions before any proposals are firmed up next summer."

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 1:14pm GMT

Wakefield diocese has a PDF file press release at
http://wakefield.anglican.org/events/pressrelease/Future%20of%20the%20Yorkshire%20Dioceses%20-%20December%202010.pdf

Unsurprisingly they do not express any negative view.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 1:16pm GMT

Sheffield diocese comment from http://bit.ly/dHIUji

The Bishop of Sheffield, Dr Steven Croft, has urged members of his own Diocese and fellow Anglicans across Yorkshire to reflect carefully and thoughtfully on the findings of a Commission published today looking into the future boundaries of Church of England dioceses in the north of England...

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 1:34pm GMT

"a strong element of devolution within a context of rationalization"

Would someone translate for this clueless Yank?

"devolution?"

"a context of rationalization?"

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 2:22pm GMT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution this is a standard term in UK government, e.g. the Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Ireland governments are devolved (from Westminster).

"Rationalization" means "cuts". In this case cutting out two entire diocesan offices (and one archdeacon). Although the new mega-diocesan office would certainly need some of the staff now employed in the three existing ones, it would not involve so many all together, especially not so many top level posts. So there would be significant savings on accommodation costs, and on salaries, etc.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 6:07pm GMT

Simon, thanks. Neither term is ordinarily used quite like that in the States - but I don't read a lot of government-generated writing, so may not be aware of those usages. The American Diocese of Southwestern Virginia has a companion relationship with Bradford. I am licensed to serve as a suppply priest in that neighboring Diocese, where I serve a tiny mission twice a month.

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 6:41pm GMT

"it would not involve so many all together, especially not so many top level posts. So there would be significant savings on accommodation costs, and on salaries, etc."

- Simon Sarmiento -

From the point of view of another Province of the Communion - this would seem to be an eminently common-sense move towards harnessing the scant resources of the Church at this time in its history of mission.

It may be that, when the Church re-orients its mission towards radical inclusion of ALL people - regardless of race, gender, political affiliation, civil status or sexual-orientation, there could be further growth. But while the Church is still seen to be supportive of misogyny and discrimination, there is no need of top-down supervision.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 10:55pm GMT

So the rationalization" involved closing two offices and laying off several (mostly female?) professional and clerical staff while preserving all but one of the (mostly male) senior clerical appointees,

Posted by Malcolm French+ at Friday, 10 December 2010 at 2:59am GMT
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