Comments: ECHR rules against sham marriages law

Well, some of us aren't that surprised that there is discrimination in the system.

Good to see that others recognise that church choices does not mean that they should be entitled to state privileges, perks or exemptions.

Institutions and schemes that promote wellbeing and peace are worthy of being nurtured. Marriage provides many sociological, psychological, emotional, and, for some, spiritual benefits. It is appropriate that such as worthy model should be made available to people who want to make safe and sensible choices. It's not just the people within the marriage that benefit, but also their offspring, relatives and communities.

Sure, some marriage don't turn out, but we can't determine which marriages will or won't work. We can't say in advance that all of these kind of marriages will work, or all of these category won't work. Some marriages will work all of the time, some none of the time, most of them will work most of the time.

Sensible societies encourage sensible solutions, and do not put obstacles or burdens in the way for some and but not others.

Posted by Cheryl Va. at Wednesday, 15 December 2010 at 7:03pm GMT

"And the Church of England doesn't even operate in Northern Ireland"

Perhaps this is all there needs to be said about this amazing article! However, it does lead one to think of the possibility of any government authority being in a position to exact monetary charges in a case where civil or religious ceremonies do not take place in a specified civil or religious building.

Does Ireland have such a regime? And does it apply only to one religious denomination? This does seem like an instance of 'over-protection' to me.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 15 December 2010 at 10:17pm GMT

"And the Church of England doesn't even operate in Northern Ireland"

Well, No - and sort of Yes!

The strange fact of disestablishment is that in marriage law it never seemed to happen ..... this is also the case here in Wales where local peasants with residence qualifications - no matter what their nationality or faith - retain the absolute right in law to be married in the parish church. This they procure by the calling of banns, or if foreign nationals preferably by Common License - though if they are illegals the bishops prefer Banns.

The nobility and equestrian classes can marry where they like by the prerogative of the Archbishop of Canterbury whose Marriage License must be accepted here ..... so are we in fact just disguised Little Englanders???

Nothing is quite as straightforward as it seems on these islands ......

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Thursday, 16 December 2010 at 8:45am GMT

This is a tricky topic, though of course it is absurd to have special rules for C of E marriages.

When I was the Anglican chaplain in a detention centre for illegal immigrants and asylum seekers, I had (mainly African, particularly Nigerian) men come up to me every day and demand that I marry them as soon as possible to their British fiancees in my chapel. When I pointed out to them that their immigration status would not in any way be altered by their marriage (this was before the most recent European ruling), they invariably decided they weren't in such a hurry to marry after all.

Posted by Fr Mark at Thursday, 16 December 2010 at 8:52am GMT

>The nobility and equestrian classes can marry where they like by the prerogative of the Archbishop of Canterbury

And the ten most recent examples of this alleged abuse are?

I think we need a post-Victorian critique, thanks.

Posted by James at Tuesday, 21 December 2010 at 1:30pm GMT
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