Comments: Civil Partnerships & Marriage: Church Times report

Unlike the Church Times, the Sydney Diocese website reports that gay marriage is to be 'forced' on the churches in England (with a link to the Daily Telegraph's report of the plea from the Archbishop of York). Since the Minister responsible and the relevant legislation specifically exclude any form of compulsion this can only be regarded as deliberate mischief making to say the least.

Posted by Richard Ashby at Friday, 18 February 2011 at 10:14am GMT

The Church of England at a national level is going to try to force and bully the people :

I think the C of E at a national level is going to try to force people NOT to have the holy rites they seek in church.

And will seek to force ministers not to give the holy ministry they long to give to loving couples and their families and friends.

What a witness.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Friday, 18 February 2011 at 6:31pm GMT

Yes, don't worry. No one will force the Church to do the right thing.

Posted by Randal Oulton at Friday, 18 February 2011 at 9:41pm GMT

>> the Sydney Diocese website reports

Is this the site you mean?

http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/

The brain trust that has a link to their homepage -- at the top of their home page?

Posted by Randal Oulton at Friday, 18 February 2011 at 9:46pm GMT

What else would one expect from the Anglican Diocese of Sydney - committed as it is to the homophobia of GAFCON. Sydney is in no way typical of the Australian Province, to which it is scarcely related in any redemptive initiative of the Inclusive Gospel outreach to LGBTs.

One wonders what will happen to the Sydney Archdiocese when GAFCON makes it move towards a separate puritanical faux-Anglicanism.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Friday, 18 February 2011 at 11:26pm GMT

Richard wrote "Unlike the Church Times, the Sydney Diocese website reports that gay marriage is to be 'forced' on the churches in England"

We all assume that the 'forcing' is going to come from the Government. In my own opinion however, any forcing will come from inside the Church of England.

At present if a minister, congregation and gay couple are all in favour of a certain church hosting a civil partnership ceremony, then the powers that be can simply say it is against the law. But if the law changes it will be much harder to argue that such a thing must not be done, and the pressure for change from inside the church will be much harder to resist. I think this is what the Bishops were afraid of when they voted against this in the Lords last year.

Simon

Posted by Simon Dawson at Friday, 18 February 2011 at 11:57pm GMT

Randal the direct link is here http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/news/newsreview/religious_freedom_in_the_headlines/

Simon, I think that you may be right and I for one look forward to such actions. Interesting too that the Act of Synod was designed to accomodate those who wished not to accept the majority view about women's ordination while the Bishops will allow no deviation from their dictat on this issue.

I think that the whole issue also relates to the postings elsewhere here about the lack of involvement of the laity in the ordering of church life. The Covenant practicaly ignores us and, as I have said before, the synodical governance of the Church of England dis-enfranchises the person in the pew through the system of indirect election. It seems to me that here as elsewhere we have an effort to keep the actions of the Holy Spirit within the control of the Bishops and thus the mission of the Church is hobbled by the very people who ought to facilitate it.

Posted by Richard Ashby at Saturday, 19 February 2011 at 9:25am GMT

I've just looked in on the Diocese of Sydney's web-site. It looks more like a Body Corporate than anything at connected to the Body of Christ. There are so many individuals thrusting for power. One wonders whether spirituality ever gets a look in - Oh, the Archbishop (Jensen), in civvies, does happen to give a plug for the joys of heterosexual marriage - but whether his opinion on this or any other human relationship issue could be considered particularly mainline *Christian* might be open to opinion.

The 'corporate image', by the way - since the global meltdown - may not be so appropriate. I believe Mr Jensen may now be hard put to finance further travel for his visits to GAFCON meetings around the Global South. Money is tight.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 20 February 2011 at 10:20pm GMT
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