Comments: More comment on Civil Partnerships & Marriage

So once again, the three "Open Letter" writing organizations have no hesitation to IMPOSE their beliefs on OTHER religious groups. [So much for "Proclaim Liberty throughout the land"! (Lev. 25:10)]

Posted by JCF at Tuesday, 1 March 2011 at 8:04am GMT

It really is a bit much that Andrew Carey, of all people, given his own personal history, comes up with this thin argument, unsupported by any evidence, that marriage can never be redefined.

If this is the best the Conservative Evangelicals can produce, there is no limit to these people's brass. The good news is that such total inability to make a convincing case is not going to win them either the argument or any allies in wider British society (beyond perhaps the BNP and Hizb ut Tahrir).

Carey says that the introduction of civil partnerships "undoubtedly righted an injustice." Was that really his view at the time, I wonder?

Posted by Fr Mark at Tuesday, 1 March 2011 at 8:39am GMT

Andrew Carey is also short on actual history. Marriage has indeed come in various configurations - he might reread the family sagas in Genesis, for a start, and then some history of various cultures and civilizations. Maybe he should find a nice desert island with no outside communication to do so. Then maybe he would have a chance to get over himself.

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Tuesday, 1 March 2011 at 4:52pm GMT

'Carey says that the introduction of civil partnerships "undoubtedly righted an injustice." Was that really his view at the time, I wonder?'
Fr Mark


Good question. I have no idea what injustice was thought to have been righted. Did Carey campaign for it - or even support it ? I have no such recollection.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Tuesday, 1 March 2011 at 8:29pm GMT

Carey, Conger and Sugden - three correspondents of the Church of England Newspaper - all fearful of secular government in the UK, which is the treasured 'Instrument of True Justice' for which people of some other countries - like those in the Arab world presently suffering insurrection - would give their very lives - ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Christians can expect no prior rights over other ethnic or religious constituencies in the multi-cultural milieu of the U.K. Nor should they want to assert such a culture of preference, which is inimical to 'mishpat' - the justice enjoined on us all in the Sacred Scriptures.

On matters of public concern - such as same-sex partnerships and foster-care of children - the Church can have no 'higher law' that gives them pre-eminence over any other culture participating in lawful pursuits pertaining to the ethnic mix.

Theocratic states do not have the religious freedom of the U.K. and other modern democracies. Let's not try to overturn that hard-won freedom by 'special pleading' which tries to over-ride the sensibilities of other people in the local community.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 1 March 2011 at 11:21pm GMT

I don't see why Mr. Carey is so upset - he and his conservative ilk have been redefining what "Christian" is since the early 1900's, and with far more destructive results.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Wednesday, 2 March 2011 at 4:44am GMT

I think we can learn something about Andrew Carey's campaigning for Civil Partnership justice from Anglican Mainstream:

http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/category/civil-partnerships/page/2/

Andrew Carey Lambeth Notes

Since the debacle of Civil Partnerships I must confess to some doubts about the place of Bishops in the House of Lords.
You will recall that eight bishops (Chelmsford, Manchester, Norwich, Oxford, Peterborough, St Albans, St Eds & Ips and Truro) voted in favour of the Bill while only two bishops voted against (Chester and Southwell). In recent times they have slightly redeemed themselves with a spirited defence of religious freedom by defeating the government on the Equality Bill, but such was the seriousness of the Civil Partnerships legislation that it is not easy to forget.

Posted by Erika Baker at Wednesday, 2 March 2011 at 9:29am GMT

What Erika said.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Thursday, 3 March 2011 at 11:24am GMT
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