Comments: Birmingham votes for women bishops

very good news indeed. I hope this starts a trend Likewise the vote against the Covenant. Good for Birmingham and wakefield.

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Wednesday, 16 March 2011 at 1:57pm GMT

When the more grass-roots church members and ministers get a say, they are -it would appear- very down to earth and sensible.

Sooo different from the primates when they all get together in a pack --or even the house of bishops of the C of E when left to themselves to be silly...

Posted by laurence roberts at Wednesday, 16 March 2011 at 6:38pm GMT

Although we cannot take it for granted that the same voting pattern will necessarily be repeated elsewhere, those figures are certainly heartening for those of us who believe in a liberal, progressive church which is in touch with the world it seeks to serve.

Posted by Adrian F Sunman at Wednesday, 16 March 2011 at 10:09pm GMT

BRAVO for the Birmingham Diocese - a typical Midlands exercise in pragmatism. Let's hope my one-time home Diocese of Coventry follows suit - and then, who knows what the outcome might be? We might even get equality within the C.of E.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 17 March 2011 at 10:12am GMT

Does anyone know which provisions they approved and what they rejected?

Posted by Chris H at Thursday, 17 March 2011 at 1:28pm GMT

The danger is that by rejecting any compromise it will just force more Anglo Catholics into the Ordinariate.

btw, I see from a news article on www.ordinariate.org.uk that the 3 former Anglican Bishops have been made Monisgnor

Posted by Anglican at heart at Thursday, 17 March 2011 at 3:56pm GMT

"The danger is that by rejecting any compromise it will just force more Anglo Catholics into the Ordinariate."

So what?

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Friday, 18 March 2011 at 2:46am GMT

They did not approve any "provisions".

They voted in all three houses in favour of the referred motion, whose wording is fixed and cannot be changed.

They then voted against two separate following motions which would, if passed, have expressed support for a) the amendment that the archbishops proposed last July and b) a more general statement of need for more support for opponents. I am sorry that I do not have the exact wording of either of these amendments. I do however have the votes:

a) 5 in favour
b) 13 in favour

The voting by houses on the basic motion was:
Bishops Yes 2
Clergy Yes 39 No 1 Abstain 3
Laity Yes 34 No 3 Abstain 3

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Friday, 18 March 2011 at 9:08am GMT

The two defeated motions at Birmingham were:

a) "That this Synod call upon the House of Bishops, in exercise of its powers under Standing Order 60 (b) of the Standing Orders of the General Synod, to amend the draft Bishops and Priests (Consecration and Ordination of Women) Measure in the manner proposed by the Archbishops of Canterbury and York at the Revision Stage for the draft Measure, so that there is sufficient provision and care made for those clergy, of whatever churchmanship, who are unhappy about serving under a woman as their Bishop, to enable them to remain within, and feel a valued part of the Church of England."

and

b) "That this Synod is disappointed that the contents of the Code of Practice will not be detailed until after the legislation is passed and asks that improved legal provision be made for those who dissent on theological grounds."

Posted by Peter Owen at Friday, 18 March 2011 at 10:34am GMT

btw, I see from a news article on www.ordinariate.org.uk that the 3 former Anglican Bishops have been made Monsignor

Posted by: Anglican at heart on Thursday, 17 March 2011 at 3:56pm

It couldn't happen to nicer people :)

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Friday, 18 March 2011 at 5:42pm GMT

Monsignor...a title redolent of Anglican patrimony! and the soutane ,piping and cincture.......but then these Anglican "bishops" have been dressing like Roman monsignori for years...when ARE we going to hear what the Anglican patrimony is????

Posted by Perry Butler at Saturday, 19 March 2011 at 2:54pm GMT

Many of us had hoped in times past that the Church of England would as a whole be reconciled with The Catholic Church. It has however chosen another path, and surrendering its birthright by craving the Zeitgeist, has forfeited the blessing of unity.
1 Tim 4

Posted by Pewperson at Friday, 25 March 2011 at 8:59am GMT
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