Comments: Virginians form new ACNA diocese

CANA says its members all full fledged members of ACNA http://www.canaconvocation.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=109708

Thus, I'm not sure what this rearrangement of the deck chairs is about -- and I'm a close observer of these machinations. One consequence is that it appears most of the ADV congregations are leaving CANA which means they lose the Nigeria part of what CANA calls its members dual citizenship, something its been quick to defend (as when Abp Okoh early this year said to the press that they weren't).

If anyone has insights I'd be grateful.

One last note -- a cornerstone of the Virginia CANA churches case was that they were in the Province of Nigeria, a cornerstone that proved their undoing in the Virginia Supreme Court's decision against them. (The case is on remand.)

Posted by John B. Chilton at Sunday, 22 May 2011 at 7:23pm BST

It does rather seem from the acronyms as though they are trying to reach CANAAN ...

Posted by Mark Bennet at Sunday, 22 May 2011 at 8:12pm BST

Interesting to note that they nearly appointed their latest conscript to the episcopate in ACNA, New Zealander Julian Dobbs, a former clergy-person in the Diocese of Nelson, to be the Front-Person for this faux-diocese. One hopes he isn't too badly disappointed by being overlooked - to the point that he would want to come back to ACANZP as a bishop! But then, I hope our Church would not encourage it.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 22 May 2011 at 11:48pm BST

It's interesting to note that about 10 congregations of ADV are also listed as congregations of the Diocese of the Holy Spirit, of which Guernsey is already bishop. Does he intend to serve both dioceses? (perhaps a financial necessity, that ACNA is finding so many purple shirts expensive?) And has ACNA been double-counting these dual-registered congregations, to boost their numbers?

Posted by Jim Pratt at Monday, 23 May 2011 at 2:38am BST

Oh it makes my head ache! I give up trying to sort out all this. I shall leave it to The Creator.

Posted by Lois Keen at Monday, 23 May 2011 at 12:20pm BST

Imagine if the headline on the press release had been "CANA members give up dual citizenship." Subhead: "Turn in Church of Nigeria passport, retain ACNA passport."

I remained puzzled why they've given up the dual citizenship they've clung to.

I note Minns is moving to London to be Gafcon's PR arm. When the head of CANA is replaced it will be a greatly diminished bloc within ACNA. Minns may prefer for ACNA to be more cohesive.

Or is this move motivated by economics -- from an economic point of view it makes sense to consolidate insurance and pension plans, and facilitate mobility of clergy?

Posted by John B. Chilton at Monday, 23 May 2011 at 3:54pm BST

The Virginia supreme court sent the Virginia property case back to Judge Bellows who made so many mistakes about Anglicanism in his initial ruling.

No doubt this is to confuse him more!

By the way the TEC lawyers aren't up to much. I watched their lawyer ( Mary Kostel) at the Georgia Supreme Court and she was asked by one of the Justices what was Georgia property law in 1823. She didn't know and she is being paid thousands.

Posted by robert ian williams at Monday, 23 May 2011 at 11:24pm BST

Jim Pratt -- I am familiar with one of the AVD/Diocese of the Holy Spirit parishes. A little more than a year after its "founding" its ASA remains at 9. Not much help in the double counting department.

Posted by susan at Tuesday, 24 May 2011 at 2:14am BST

Yes, the acronyms do make the head spin rather.
Susan, pray tell us what ASA means?

Posted by Edward Prebble at Tuesday, 24 May 2011 at 9:34pm BST

To Jim - The Diocese of the Holy Spirit is/was a non-geographical diocese. The next step for the ACNA is to create geographical dioceses, which this new Mid-Atlantic diocese is. The Diocese of the Holy Spirit will cease to exist, as the scattered parishes are taken into other new geographical dioceses.

Posted by Uriel at Wednesday, 25 May 2011 at 4:19am BST

Those of us on the eastern side of the Atlantic Ocean may find the name of the new diocese amusing. To us the term "Mid Atlantic" is very, *very* watery indeed.

Posted by RPNewark at Wednesday, 25 May 2011 at 9:37am BST

Ed, ASA is Average Sunday Attendance

Posted by Steve at Wednesday, 25 May 2011 at 2:52pm BST

ASA = average Sunday attendance

Posted by JPM at Wednesday, 25 May 2011 at 7:20pm BST

ASA means average Sunday attendance.

Posted by Richard Warren at Thursday, 26 May 2011 at 12:20am BST

Appearances? Cleaning up ones act?

Bishop Orombi has maintained a lower profile these days/daze with his cautious moves -- no doubt a good idea as the +Orombi named ¨poisoness Episcopal Church¨ is winning property case after property settlement in California and Georgia/beyond -- the Rt. Rev. John Guernsey/Uganda HOB is now being repositioned along with Martyn Minns of the CANA crowd -- looks like the Bishops and their schismatic Pawns are on the run as the Episcopal ¨Queen¨ clears the chess/mess board.

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Thursday, 26 May 2011 at 1:44pm BST

Leonardo - re "the Bishops and heir schismatic pawns" - I'm not sure who you meant was manipulating whom, but I believe that it was the Americans who courted the Africans, and with "money, so much money" (quoting Orombi)
duced them to play the Ugandan/Kenyan, etc. temporary "African" bishops game.

Posted by Uriel at Friday, 27 May 2011 at 12:01am BST
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