Comments: C of E sends observer to ACNA?

Duncan, counting up how many times people have seated him among the other pointy hat boys, is pathetic. If he collects enough cereal box tops, maybe he can get a secret de-coder ring.

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Friday, 24 June 2011 at 1:25pm BST

Simon, could you remind us please of the Synod motion from last year in which, as I recall, an amendment recognising ACNA was rejected. The question being whether the action described above (if correctly reported) is ultra vires.

Posted by Matthew Duckett at Friday, 24 June 2011 at 3:35pm BST

Matthew here is the information you seek
http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/004231.html

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Friday, 24 June 2011 at 3:51pm BST

Hi, not sure if the moderators read here or not, wasn't sure how to contact them but the left hand search field / button on this site is broken; the search doesn't work anymore, gives a Movable Type error page.

Posted by Randal Oulton at Friday, 24 June 2011 at 5:24pm BST

Some of the really interesting parts of his address for me were his discussion of "lead bishops" It made me wonder, who are the "lead" bishops? How ere they elected/appointed? What powers did they have? Interestingly, almost all (I think now all) of those originally named in the Barfoot memo as recipients have now been appointed bishops in ACNA/CANA, I think it took a while for anyone (i.e. Cone or African) to sponsor Inglefritz, the most theologically Anglo-Catholic, but now ALL except Alison Barfoot herself, for more than obvious reasons, is now a bishop... i.e. "lead" bishop.

I have wondered before about the possibility of a CANA beachhead in England with the Nigerian Chaplaincy, and recent events in London for +Minns' new ministry and if, and how, they might be related.

Posted by EmilyH at Friday, 24 June 2011 at 5:33pm BST

Look on the brightside.

Dr. Rowan Williams is in Kenya and other parts of Africa clearing up the Anglican Communion mess:

¨Archbishop Williams told church leaders they must stand up against land and money grabbers. "It will pit you against some of the most powerful individuals but God is always on the side of the righteous,"

No doubt Anglican Archbishop Eliud Wabukala (who is the recently elected chairman of GAFCON) will immediately ask/demand that +Duncan, +Orombi, +Okoh, +Minns and the self-propelled ¨Anglican¨ Bishop of Recife, the Rt. Rev. Robinson Cavalcanti stop with the land and money grabbing nonsense!

One thing I´ve noticed about Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, is that he always seems to favor the ageless idealism of pretend/wishful-thinking over the real life tragedy of dealing with the actual FACTUAL!

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Friday, 24 June 2011 at 9:59pm BST

Reliable sources inform me that tonight's performance of Oscar Wilde's The Importance of Being Earnest at the University of Kent's theatre in Canterbury - crime scene of the 1998 Lambeth conference resolution 1:10 - was only a quarter full despite rave reviews.

Wilde's devastating critique of the Church's abandonment of Augustine's treatise on truth might have attracted a full house of bishops in July 1998 and prevented a lot of shilly-shallying in recent times.

Posted by A J Barford at Saturday, 25 June 2011 at 1:21am BST

the self-propelled ¨Anglican¨ Bishop of Recife, the Rt. Rev. Robinson Cavalcanti .

I like th image of self-propelled faux bishops. Flying bishops with propellers? Someone should draw a picture.

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Saturday, 25 June 2011 at 3:38am BST

What is happening in the minds of the ACO? Is this a 'dummy run' at according 'Anglican Communion' status to the dissident pseudo-Anglican 'Province of ACNA'? in North America? And is Abp. Earnest really 'earnest' about his intention to bypass the authentic Anglican Provinces of TEC and the Anglican Church of Canada?

At the very least, it seems unwise of Fr.Seville (C.R.) of the 'Anglican Communion Faith and Order Office' to precipitate the unseemly posturing of proud prelate Bobby Duncan in his bid to become kosher in North America.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Saturday, 25 June 2011 at 6:58am BST

Regardless of whether this "participation and observation" is a response to the 2010 Synod enactment, it also looks like an effort to pressure the Episcopal Church into signing on to the Canterbury Covenant -- or else.

Of course, any such effort isn't going to work.

The Episcopal Church has been constitutionally independent of Canterbury for over 200 years. It won't give up that independence now.

Furthermore, if Canterbury were to extend some form of recognition and Communion membership to schismatic organizations like ACNA, then the Church of England might find its own interests similarly disregarded.

Some parishes in England might want to affiliate with a church that ordains women bishops and is open about its gay bishops.

Posted by Jeremy at Saturday, 25 June 2011 at 12:22pm BST

Didn't they send an observer - about whose presence the secessionists made much, but which amounted to nothing - to ACNA's opening shindig? No reason to see this as anything different. A sop to the GAFCON & a few others, maybe? Mirfield hardly seems a hot-bed of reaction. Is there any real cause for worry?

Many here are familiar with the learned posts of Göran Koch-Swahne. Göran has been ill for some time, and is now in a hospice. He has a facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=730122005

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Saturday, 25 June 2011 at 12:24pm BST

I like th image of self-propelled faux bishops. Flying bishops with propellers? Someone should draw a picture¨ Cynthia Gilliatt

There are a lot of rust sounding ¨grindings¨ going on and silent/sweet ¨gliding¨ doesn´t occur at all (not with all the hot air blowing in and out and all about the atmosphere)...of course none of these faux flying bishop fellas, and they are fellas, fly that far up/up and away from being grounded because of stormy weather.

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Saturday, 25 June 2011 at 3:58pm BST

The Church of England sends observers to the Methodist Conference etc I don't think it implies recognition.

However wait until the ACNA sends representatives to the new Reform body.

Posted by Robert ian Williams at Saturday, 25 June 2011 at 11:33pm BST

Thank you for letting us all know of Goran's health Lapin.

I see a postal address listed for him on that page too.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Sunday, 26 June 2011 at 8:04pm BST

Prayers ascending for Goran!

Posted by JCF at Sunday, 26 June 2011 at 10:48pm BST

"observer" I understand...is "participant" Duncan's spin?

Posted by Perry Butler at Monday, 27 June 2011 at 10:16am BST

Well, the way I see it, it would be a good idea for the CofE to have some idea of exactly what's going on in ACNA, since it looks like we may be facing a similar situation in the future...

What better way to gather information than by sending Fr Thomas CR? He's hardly a controversial figure, and he belongs to a religious community which is just as divided on the same issues dividing the Anglican Communion.

Posted by Fr James at Monday, 27 June 2011 at 4:36pm BST

Rowan's chickens have come home to roost.

I'm trying very hard not to feel all schadenfreudey, but I can't quite manage it.

Posted by JPM at Tuesday, 28 June 2011 at 4:13pm BST

"it would be a good idea for the CofE to have some idea of exactly what's going on in ACNA" - Fr James

Spot on! the only way to subvert it is to get close to it...

Posted by A J Barford at Wednesday, 29 June 2011 at 7:46am BST
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