Comments: media coverage of the HoB statement

How long, O Lord? How long? - The consultation or listening process was called for in 1998. Why do we need to wait for 2013 for a review of that process? 15 years to get nowhere and 10 years since the Very Rev'd Dr Jeffrey John was forced to withdraw his acceptance of the suffragan see of Reading. If that isn't pre-empting the decision, then what is?

Williams and Sentamu have lost any credibility and the whole House of Bishops isn't far behind.

Posted by commentator at Friday, 1 July 2011 at 10:17pm BST

So the House of lords will have seats reserved for bishops, which exclude active homosexuals and women. What a farce, in the light of the discrimination against Catholics in other areas.

One law for the Anglicans and another for us.

It makes a mockery of modern democracy.

Posted by Robert ian Williams at Friday, 1 July 2011 at 11:18pm BST

If they think they can postpone the Day, they've got another think coming.

This is crisis management, pure and simple. If they were seriously committed to reform, they would scrap the agenda at the forthcoming General Synod and throw it open to debate, allowing everyone to air their views in honest discussion, rather than wrangle behind closed doors.

Church lawyers are behaving like corporate tax experts advising the Board of Directors how to evade tax, exploit loop-holes and get round sound legislation, not representatives of the highest legal principles and jurisprudence.

Although a coterie of heterosexual and closeted gay men is a lonely place for an openly gay person, and a delay until women enter the House may at first sight seem eminently sensible, what they are going to end up with - given that principled heterosexual men are going to turn down any offers of episcopal preferment - is a string of weedy little corporatist yes-men who can balance the books.

Questions will then be asked as to whether the episcopal model is in fact appropriate for the Church of England in the 21st century, leaving them neither root nor branch.

Posted by A J Barford at Saturday, 2 July 2011 at 6:53am BST

Agreeing with AJ Barford, I just can't avoid pointing out the lack of trust in democratic processes, plain and simple. Contrast with the failure to release the report of the Committee on Constitution and Canons in the US and the way that the Executive Council had to cave in to popular pressure with an apology, because of the way it was failing 'to treat people like adults':
http://bit.ly/kumtvw
http://bit.ly/mr1huf
http://bit.ly/iwsPZV etc.

What say the government refuses to recommend *any* episcopal appointments until 2013 in order not to preempt the outcome of the review?

Posted by Scot Peterson at Saturday, 2 July 2011 at 10:40am BST

Questions will then be asked as to whether the episcopal model is in fact appropriate for the Church of England in the 21st century, leaving them neither root nor branch.

Posted by: A J Barford on Saturday, 2 July 2011 at 6:53am BST

Yes, the 'episcopate' is a busted flush. All that remains is institutional inertia ~ and the theoretical justification of 'episcopacy' based on medieval superstition.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Saturday, 2 July 2011 at 11:27am BST

I think the bishops had to say something and they seem to be trying to create some space in which to respond to the current situation. But they have a problem in that, when the CofE has seriously addressed the question of same-sex relationships in the past (Gloucester Report 1979 & Osborne 1990), the reports have suggested that same-sex relationships are a possibility for Christians. I seem to remember an even more positive report in the late 70s, by Rachael and Basil Moss, although I forget what it was called and who published it. I cannot think what the bishops will do next. Another report which says the same thing? - When the Osborne report was finsihed the bishops ordered it to be shredded. I don't think they dare face a real debate on this issue.

Posted by Nigel LLoyd at Saturday, 2 July 2011 at 12:46pm BST

Nigel Lloyd's points are really important in my opinion.

Essential in fact.

I still have my (illicit) copy of the Osborn report, courtesy of LGCM at the time. Maybe it could be more widely circulated -- now ? !

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Saturday, 2 July 2011 at 8:06pm BST

commentator - I have to agree. Whilst this is about far more than one man, I too realised that 2013 will take us not only to the tenth anniversary of the Jeffrey's appointment to Reading - but also past his 60th birthday.

Posted by Graham Ward at Saturday, 2 July 2011 at 10:52pm BST

Graham, I wondered about JJ's age. This seems more and more like a further squalid attempt by the Bishops to keep him out.

Posted by Richard Ashby at Sunday, 3 July 2011 at 8:36am BST

Here's a reaction to the AM letter which I just added to the main article:

The waning power of Anglican Mainstream
http://flockedout.wordpress.com/2011/07/02/the-waning-power-of-anglican-mainstream/

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Sunday, 3 July 2011 at 12:09pm BST

Nigel Lloyd

'God's yes to sexuality', by Basil and Rachel Moss, emerged from a British Council of Churches working party.

Posted by Savi Hensman at Sunday, 3 July 2011 at 1:16pm BST

"So the House of lords will have seats reserved for bishops, which exclude active homosexuals and women. What a farce, in the light of the discrimination against Catholics in other areas."

- Robert I Williams -

Am I the only one wondering what Robert is going on about here? It would not seem to be relevant to the topic on hand - except as another attempt to discredit Anglicanism in the U.K.

However, in trying to construe what on earth he's talking about, may I ask him the question: 'Are you suggesting that the Roman Catholic Church (who actually are 'bishops (who) exclude women and homosexuals') is looking for seats in the House of Lords? News to me!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 3 July 2011 at 5:58pm BST

Thank you Simon for the 'flockedout' piece. A real gift.

Posted by Edward Prebble at Sunday, 3 July 2011 at 10:51pm BST

Why is JJ the only(?) openly gay dean?

Posted by A J Barford at Monday, 4 July 2011 at 1:11am BST

I am struggling to understand why conservative church men are making this a stand or sink issue - honestly I fail to understand. Do they have a different version of the Bible? I honestly honestly do not get it.

Posted by Rosemary Hannah at Monday, 4 July 2011 at 1:17pm BST

¨Williams and Sentamu have lost any credibility and the whole House of Bishops isn't far behind.¨ commentator

So there you have it...simple as that, while +Sentamu leaps out of airplanes and +Williams leaps up and down like a child throwing tantrums, our denomination, and all our hundreds of thousands of LGBTI Anglicans suffer-- true and adult spiritual leadership can´t be found as Dr. Williams can´t deal with reality and so the Lord of York won´t--God only knows it takes both Archbishops decades to think out any ¨inconvenient¨ thought that may put them on the punishing end of their Anglican Covenant plot...if these men weren´t highly educated one might think they were just plain dangerously dim!

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Monday, 4 July 2011 at 3:49pm BST

Not just LGBT Christians - under ++Sentamu some astonishingly hard-line policies are now in place with regard to what sort of married straight is acceptable for ordination.

Posted by david rowett at Monday, 4 July 2011 at 5:05pm BST

Oh no, David! Just when I was planning a trip over the Humber...

Posted by A J Barford at Monday, 4 July 2011 at 7:40pm BST

David Rowett:

please expand.

Posted by lister Tonge at Monday, 4 July 2011 at 10:56pm BST

This press release from Accepting Evangelicals discusses the discriminatory part of the statement.

http://www.acceptingevangelicals.org/media/press-release-1st-july-2011/

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Wednesday, 6 July 2011 at 9:08am BST
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