Comments: Next Bishop of Winchester

Dare one say - a breath of fresh air for the historic Diocese of Winchester and the Church of England? Whatever the new bishop's attitude towards the LGBT community - at least it will be founded on a pretty sound knowledge and experience of the Church overseas as well as at 'home'.

One can but pray for him and wish him well in his new ministry. At least, the Church will have to adjust to a different provenance - away from the Old Boy's Club - in its newest recruit to the episcopate.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 6 September 2011 at 10:47am BST

Probably good news for women bishops but bad news for those of us who oppose the Covenant

Jean

Posted by Jean MAYLAND at Tuesday, 6 September 2011 at 10:56am BST

Everyone speaks highly of his personal qualities. However, I am concerned to learn that he spoke in favour of the Anglican Covenant at the General Synod in February 2008, ie even before it had been watered down. He would thus appear to be another conservative evangelical, a stance which he shares with the suffragan Bishop of Basingstoke, Peter Hancock.
My understanding was that the Church attempted to alternate bishops from different 'wings' of the Church: Winchester has broken this mould by appointing someone very similar to his predecessor, and with no obvious check or balance elsewhere in the diocese.
Please tell me I am wrong.

Posted by Laura Sykes at Tuesday, 6 September 2011 at 1:26pm BST

Congratulations, Tim.

Posted by Tobias Stanislas Haller at Tuesday, 6 September 2011 at 4:50pm BST

OK, Ignorant Yank here. I can see the obvious: CMS, Africa (I also see his wife is ordained). Is (+)Dakin part of the problem, or part of the solution?

Posted by JCF at Tuesday, 6 September 2011 at 6:43pm BST

Jean is probably more or less right. However, as I have just commented elsewhere, Tim has much to commend him - and I think Winchester have got themselves a very good diocesan bishop. He has both a sense of humour and a sense of irony, for a start, and I have always found him willing to engage with and attempt to understand opinions different to his own. Considering the title of the this site, Tim is definitely an Anglican, and he definitely thinks! The thoughts might have led him to different conclusions from many of us who hang out here, but if everyone agreed all the time, life would be so terribly dull...

Posted by Justin Brett at Tuesday, 6 September 2011 at 9:50pm BST

Another fundamentalist?

Posted by JPM at Tuesday, 6 September 2011 at 10:54pm BST

I agree with you Justin. I spent nearly 4 years working with Tim as a trustee at CMS UK: he has a huge brain with a great capacity to absorb and engage with conflicting theological writings and arguments. He has led CMS through a period of massive change and re-focussing. He has limited parish experience though and has not been an incumbent.

Posted by Simon at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 1:38am BST

Things could get confusing in Winchester Diocese: They already have a Revd Tim Dakin, who is a team vicar in Southampton and presents BBC Radio Solent's Sunday morning show. Presumably this Sunday he will be interviewing the Revd Tim Daykin?

Posted by Ben at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 1:46am BST

He heads a mission agency. Of course he is a conservative. People like that always believe the plain meaning of scripture -- what liberals call a fundamentalist and what conservatives call a converted believer.

Posted by Rob at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 5:15am BST

Remember the previous Bishop of Winchester was totally liberal on divorce and re-marriage..but the Church of England has now reduced "orthodoxy" to , how the episcopal candidate holds the line on homosexuality.

Those are the hard facts....you LBGT folk are still out in the cold!

Posted by Robert ian Williams at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 7:07am BST

It is a bit hard to put his cv together. What was the 'further research' at Christ Church? What was he working on? It looks like he also had no pre-ordination theological education (no course or college listed any where). Just curious.

Posted by GHCW at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 8:47am BST

Anyone who heads an organisation that comes up with 'Sharing Jesus, Changing Lives' as their strap-line deserves to be taken seriously. One of the best strap-lines going. His CV doesn't include being vicar any where - that always makes me cautious but it's not an exact science.

Posted by Ian Black at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 9:03am BST

Jonny Baker of CMS UK blogs about the qualities of his boss here:
http://jonnybaker.blogs.com/jonnybaker/2011/09/time-for-change-at-cms-and-winchester.html

Posted by Simon at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 10:17am BST

"He has limited parish experience though and has not been an incumbent." Simon

Like a Regional Sales Manager who's never worked in one of the shops.

Posted by Laurence C at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 12:03pm BST

Like GHCW I had also noted the apparent absence of any ministerial formation course.

Apart from that it has been interesting - if not illuminating - to read some of the rush to judgement in other posts above.

Posted by Lister Tonge at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 12:49pm BST

For once (I never thought the day would come!!) I find myself agreeing with Jean Mayland. I listened to him on the Covenant -very high minded, but short on substance to my mind. Still, we can't all agree.
My main concern is that Winchester will now have two conservative evangelicals and one other bishop who certainly isn't a catholic. Many in the diocese are disappointed that the balance wasn't addressed in this appointment, whatever the merits of the bishop designate may be. Not surprising though, given that all the vacancy in see reps on the CAC were evangelicals, that they should push for one of their own. As we will probably have him for 15+ years we had better get used to it, and hope for a catholic suffragan at some stage. We can but wish Tim well and give him as much prayerful support as possible.

Posted by Fr Jed at Wednesday, 7 September 2011 at 4:14pm BST

Regarding doubts about his theological formation; how come he became head of an African theological College? Or is that a silly question?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 8 September 2011 at 6:21am BST

'He heads a mission agency. Of course he is a conservative. People like that always believe the plain meaning of scripture.'

Apart from the above quotation, someone else describes the bishop-designte as a 'conservative evangelical'. Since when has the Gen Sec of CMS been a conservative evangelical (not to mention with with a wife who is a priest)?

Having jumped to conclusions about this man, are we then to dismiss him as 'people like that'?

Posted by Lister Tonge at Thursday, 8 September 2011 at 1:58pm BST

Although Laura Sykes says "He would thus appear to be another conservative evangelical"; Jean Mayland also observes that Tim Dakin is "good news for women bishops".

Conservative Evangelicals (certainly in the UK) generally don't support the ordain ministry of women as priests, or certainly bishops, so would not really consider Tim to be conservative.

Evangelicals who support women's ordained ministry would probably more likely call themselves Open Evangelicals; for example those at Fulcrum http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/.

The phrase 'liberal evangelical' is sometimes used (perhaps somewhat disparagingly by some) of those with more open views. The term was used occasionally five or six decades ago; but I suspect having 'liberal' and 'evangelical' in the same title would be anathema to most who would call themselves any sort of evangelical now.

Posted by Alastair Cutting at Thursday, 8 September 2011 at 7:33pm BST

With the announcement of the next bishop of Winchester that makes Timothy the second most popular name for diocesan bishops with three bearing that biblical and saintly handle - along with three called Nicholas and Michael. The most popular names for diocesans with four each - are John, Christopher and Stephen (if you include Sheffield with the variant spelling of the proto-martyr).
The most popular names for diocesan bishops are indeed all saintly but apart from wondering when I'm going to get a life I also wonder why we have no bishops bearing street-cred names like Darren, Tyson and Wayne?

Posted by Father David at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 5:38am BST

Fr David,
Tyson? Darren? Wayne?
Next you'll be saying you want a bishop who went to a bog standard comprehensive school and then to a university that used to be a polytechnic.

Posted by Erika Baker at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 9:51am BST

Yet in England at least we dont seem to have any? churches dedicated to St Timothy...I have often wondered why? Any enlightenment?

Posted by Perry Butler at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 10:24am BST

Looking forward to the day when Darren, Tyson and Wayne are joined by Karen, Samantha and Kirsty.

Posted by Ian Black at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 10:26am BST

"...no bishops bearing street-cred names like Darren, Tyson and Wayne..." Father David

But surely a Bishop John Waine scores double points? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Waine
//shows age//

Posted by Alastair Cutting at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 10:55am BST

In Bristol, it was Barry for many years, who was then succeeded by "Mike". Mike's current suffragan is Lee.

Posted by Ben at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 11:42am BST

Tim Dakin is a former vice chair of Fulcrum if that helps you pigeon hole him. where does Fulcrum stand is an interesting question. It may see itself at the centre of evangelical Anglicanism, at the centre of Anglicanism as a whole or simply as a group for Open evangelicals. Open may means an attitude to other strands of Anglicanism or a set of beliefs.

Posted by Dave at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 12:53pm BST

Those of us who are old enough will remember a former and much loved Bishop of Winchester, John V Taylor, who was also General Sec. of CMS and had never held a living. Sounds familiar? I well remember clergy, upon the announcement of his appointment,having severe doubts as to his episcopal abilities. They were proved wrong and many had good cause to be thankful for his pastoral care. Like Lister, I agree that we shouldn't jump to conclusions. However it's likely to be a steep learning curve for Tim, and he deserves our support and prayers. He is certainly not the first priest or bishop to have had no theological college training. Let's give him a chance and criticise when we actually have something to criticise!!

Posted by Fr Jed at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 6:44pm BST

I do believe that the current bishop of Bristol + Mike - engaged in pugilism in his younger days - so I've no reason whatsoever to doubt his Street-cred.

Posted by Father David at Friday, 9 September 2011 at 9:30pm BST

"Tim Dakin is a former vice chair of Fulcrum if that helps you pigeon hole him."

It does. (i.e., he could only be "liberal" by Taliban standards!)

I pity the Church of England. Prayers!

Posted by JCF at Saturday, 10 September 2011 at 1:13am BST

Mr. Black looks forward to the day when bishops Darren, Tyson and Wayne are joined by "Karen, Samantha and Kirsty" (hasn't Samantha recently gone a bit more upmarket now that it is surely primarily associated with the current Prime Minister's spouse - Sam Cam - rather than a page three glamour model?. What about poor Sharon and Tracey? Although, of course, we've already had a Bishop Treacy - + Eric of Wakefield who had a great interest in that manly traditional clerical passion - steam trains!

Posted by Father David at Saturday, 10 September 2011 at 6:27am BST

I apologise for attempting to label Tim Dakin.

So far as his views on women bishops are concerned, we may not immediately know this as, according to WATCH, Winchester are due to vote on 15 October and Canon Dakin is not to take up his appointment until 2012.

My concern derives from his support for the Anglican Covenant which, in the podcast at http://www.churchofengland.org/media/746870/feb0814.mp3 he describes as 'a splendid reaffirmation of why we are God's people' (GS Feb 2008).

Posted by Laura Sykes at Saturday, 10 September 2011 at 8:25am BST

It is an interesting appointment, putting global mission onto the front rank of the bishops. And Tim is a good person. But we should also pause and hold one minute's silence to mark the premature death of the relatively new CNC process for selecting bishops. All six of the local delegates from Winchester on the CNC were evangelicals, which contravenes the Church of England's own guidelines. And with Tim replacing Colin Slee as an elected General Synod member on the CNC, we have a situation in which one of the interviewers became an interviewee. So yes, he shortlisted himself. It is sad that the process for selection can so easily be undermined by a local cabal of evangelicals who, it seems, knew what they wanted from the outset, went out and got it, and have made such a mockery of a process that was supposed to be a bit more transparent and fair. It is a pity that Colin Slee is not alive to blow the whistle on this.

Posted by BarbieRev at Monday, 26 September 2011 at 9:38am BST
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