Comments: South Carolina bishop: more on the disciplinary process

If Bishop Lawrence were not - deep down - trying to move his diocese of South Carolina out from TEC, why has he encouraged his Standing Committee to remove any reference to TEC's Constitution as incumbent on the diocese? If he's just playing silly beggars, then he can hardly complain that his petard is being hoisted

The agenda of this Bishop and his diocese seems so remarkably akin to that of ACNA and GAFCON, that one is left wondering why he ever decided to join the ranks of the episcopate in TEC - except to cause mayhem, and further dissolution?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 13 October 2011 at 11:20am BST

Mark Lawrence's very public assurance, given when he failed to receive the consents needed to confirm his first election, that he would not lead the diocese out of TEC, is surely a factor, Fr Ron.

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Thursday, 13 October 2011 at 12:56pm BST

There is no better role for SC right now than portraying itself as a meek and mild David facing a mean spirited Goliath embodied in TEC and the PB. The hysterical hullabaloo raised already has simply confirmed their longstanding fears.

My question is how does any of this square with their purported “biblical “ Anglicanism? Would not the true martyr stand still and accept his fate without rancor or fight? Is not standing in a crucified place the holiest mission of all? It would seem that they would acquiesce to their holy martyrdom for the sake of their particular literalist gospel.

I can’t personally reconcile their actions with their words. Nothing new there, I fear.

Posted by Priscilla Cardinale at Friday, 14 October 2011 at 2:32am BST

Yes, I believe there was hypocrisy and deception at play here. Mark Lawrence did not keep his word and quite possibly never intended to do so. In the end, The Episcopal Church will prevail in this South Carolina case, as they have in every other State where similar thefts of Church property were attempted.

Posted by Chris Smith at Friday, 14 October 2011 at 3:50am BST

Re: Bishop Lawrence's "very public assurance."
"The tongue hath sworn: yet unsworn is the heart."

Posted by Steve Lusk at Friday, 14 October 2011 at 3:12pm BST

The commenters above should pay attention to actual actions by SC rather than simply affirming their own insight into the hearts of those they disagree with. The state supreme court of SC has been quite clear about property law. If the Episcopal Diocese of SC wanted to leave TEC they could simply do so according to their own rules of governance. They do not need to be pretending they are staying while actually leaving. There is no reason to pretend. The state laws would fully support their departure if they took that action. Instead, as they have stated and documented publicly, they are disassociating themselves from actions of TEC they consider to be A) heretical and B) unconstitutional while remaining in TEC. It is a principled and admirable stand. As you apply motivations to their hearts you simply reveal your own, which look neither principled nor admirable.

Posted by Rob at Monday, 17 October 2011 at 11:29pm BST

Rob, I ask you this question - which, incidentally, is as valid to be asked of the dissenters from Women Bishops in the Church of England:

"If you are so sure that the governance of your particular denominational Church is heretical (or heterodox) how can you stay within its borders?"

For the Diocese of S.C. and its bishop to assert their own integrity against that of TEC, is surely to disassociate themselves from TEC's fellowship?
To stay within TEC, in this situation, would be tantamount to aubscribing to its 'heterodoxy'.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 19 October 2011 at 12:31am BST

There is nothing principled or admirable about infiltration and sabotage. It's the way of cowards and liars and thieves.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Wednesday, 19 October 2011 at 5:37am BST
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