Comments: St Pauls' Cathedral: Wednesday morning reports

["tent guy ropes"? I feel you Brits and we Yanks are being "divided by a common language" again. O_o]

Huzzah for Fr Giles, if true. Imagine, a member of the Establishment of the Established Church who seems to Get It! (y'know, the Gospel that is)

Posted by JCF at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 9:25am BST

Provide water, food and portable toilet facilities to the protesters. And of course, re-open the cathedral!

Posted by Frank at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 11:02am BST

According to Damian Thompson, the Daily Telegraph initiated an investigation and found most of the tents lying empty, a discovery that has infuriated the 'protestors', The sooner the police come in the better if it would lead to the welcome resignation of the 'martyred' Canon. His initial statements did more then anything to lead to the present impasse.

Posted by John Bowles at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 11:50am BST

Why would it invalidate the protest if some people went home to sleep?

Wouldn't it be helpful if people engaged with what the protest is actually about rather than try to ridicule it and malign those protesting?

These tactics say much more about those who refuse to engage than about the member of the movement.

Thank God for Twitter and YouTube to get a real picture of what it's all about.

Posted by Erika Baker at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 12:39pm BST

I can't help but be struck at the difference between St Paul's handling of this situation, and the way the Episcopal churches in New York City have handled this, Trinity Wall Street for example (www.trinitywallstreet.org). A great opportunity to show young people in Britain that the church understands and sympathizes with their problems has been wasted. The dean needs to wake up.

Posted by Tom Danielson at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 12:59pm BST

Has it occurred to the Telegraph that the tents might be empty because the inhabitants are out protesting? Or raising money? Or working at whatever jobs they might have?

Posted by Pat O'Neill at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 1:05pm BST

Do the empty tents mirror empty churches?

Posted by Freddy Crabbe at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 5:29pm BST

I agree with Tom Danielson. Trinity Wall street inviting people in to dialogue is what churches should be doing. St Paul's has handled it disastrously. They have missed an opportunity to chair a national debate on a topic of the greatest importance.

Posted by Simon at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 5:57pm BST

'empty tents' ?

My bed-room will (usually / often) be found to be empty during the day too

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 9:56pm BST

Does "John Bowles" write for The Onion or ChristWire? (I keep being reminded of Poe's Law! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law)

Posted by JCF at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 10:25pm BST

A critique that highlights the 'fix' the Cathedral has got itself into, first telling the protestors to go on 'health and safety' grounds, but failing to define what the dtails were so the protestors could address them; secondly closing the cathedral when openness and dialogue could have achieved today's decision to re-open before they even closed...

And then the whole impression this gives, along with the continued call to 'go', even when the protestors have co-operated on the health and safety grounds, that the Cathedral is more anxious to align with wealthy neighbours who happen to be its donors, than to allow the protestors to stay and peacefully protest...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/26/st-pauls-reopen-occupy-london

This article highlights the impression the Chapter and Bishop have given, and really, as a participant in the camp (albeit simply as a provider of first aid, to meet a human need) and lifelong Anglican I do feel disappointed.

This is not 'rent-a-riot'. These are decent, thoughtful, in many cases gentle people... who simply feel that the banking system, the markets, the hedge funds, the corporates, and the bonuses, and the bail outs (paid for by us, and our children)... need to be called out.

The camp is a sign and symbol of justice and fairness.

So should the Church be. It has not done a good job communicating the undoubted social message of the Christian Gospel in the scramblings of this situation, to "get rid" of people who are calling the problem but (unlike some of the Cathedral's donors) are NOT the problem.

Posted by Susannah at Wednesday, 26 October 2011 at 11:06pm BST

They could invite the camp of those bearing witness to sleep IN the church on these increasingly cold , wet nights

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Thursday, 27 October 2011 at 12:18am BST

Perhaps Giles Fraser should resign anyway, simply to avoid being tarred with the ineptitude of his colleagues.

Posted by Malcolm French+ at Thursday, 27 October 2011 at 12:18am BST

I would say the empty tents represent the empty lives of the modern man, constantly caught between the market of the busy street and the hope of a higher being symbolized by the cathedral, which hope becomes a symbol of oppression as it looms over the helpless tents themselves, dwarfing their very significance.


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Let's not get into symbolism - it's the arena of prophets and critics, and can easily be turned to mean anything you want it to.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Thursday, 27 October 2011 at 5:00am BST
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