Comments: St Paul's Cathedral: more Friday media reports

The Rev Peter Ould, a curate at Ware, Herts, added: “It’s an issue of collegiality. This has less to do with Giles Fraser’s theological stance and more to do with the fact that he’s a maverick.”

I thought that Peter Ould was something in the world of finance in Canterbury after failing to get another post in the Church of England (I wonder why?). And wasn't Jesus a maverick? Isn't that why he was crucufied? I thought that was the whole point.

Posted by Richard Ashby at Friday, 28 October 2011 at 10:05am BST

I’m struggling to understand Lord Carey’s view that St Paul’s “was looking in turns like the temple which Jesus cleansed, or the officious risk-averse ’elf ’n’ safety bureaucracy of urban legend”, yet at the same time that the protestors’ occupation of church land is “opportunistic and cynical”.

Does that mean the best situation would be if the church welcomed protestors with open arms while the protesters in turn did the decent thing and not turn up?

So we could all stick to our lofty principles without actually having to live them?
What am I misunderstanding?

Posted by Erika Baker at Friday, 28 October 2011 at 10:16am BST

The Telegraph pieces are ....... interesting ......

Firstly there is the undercurrent that Giles was "forced" to resign .... not quite sure about that, but elsewhere it was mentioned that whoever had revealed Giles' thinking earlier in the week had not been a friend.

Then there's that rather odd comment from Peter Ould - described as a Curate of Ware, when I thought Peter was tragically unemployed.

Then there's the piece purporting to come from the pen of George Carey ....... I just wonder who ghosted most (if not all) of that?
Starting with an inaccurate slur that Giles had resigned on Twitter when he had in fact given written notification to the Dean. Having started there it just criticises everyone in a rather unhelpful way in the spirit of "everyone's down, let's give them all a good kicking!"

Come to think of it - George just may have written it after all .....

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Friday, 28 October 2011 at 10:37am BST

"What am I misunderstanding?"

Not misunderstanding, but overlooking . . . the name on the piece.

Carey can't stand for the word "church" to pop up in media without a 15 volume dissertation from him, no matter how meaningless or opportunistic his writing. I really wish they required former ABC's to retire from public life *entirely*, as a condition for becoming ABC.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Friday, 28 October 2011 at 11:59am BST

But the Grauniad's picture of clean shaven Giles is very naughty, even better than the cartoon of the clerics in mitres and copes leaving the doors of St Paul's in the dead of night with flame throwers strapped to the backs hoping they might "warm up" some of the frozen campers.

Thanks to Alexander Chancellor for reminding us of the wonderful Canon Collins.

Perhaps those in foreign places might want to know that this has actually figured on the front pages of several national newspapers - on more than one day - and that it has been a major news item on all the TV/Radio news. Simon's excellent and extensive coverage only hints at how big this story has become.

I felt the Canon Precentor (nice man that he is) was demolished with just one question from Jon Snow on Channel 4 news last evening ......

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Friday, 28 October 2011 at 12:38pm BST

Martin, I missed Channel 4 News last evening but am now very curious - what was Jon Snow's question?

Posted by Erika Baker at Friday, 28 October 2011 at 8:34pm BST

Peter Ould's latest posting (for the Huffington Post):-

'...he will fit in comfortably (in St Martin's in the Field) or in a number of other set-piece liberal churches. Fraser will have no problem finding a job...'.

- seems to indicate some bitterness that the Church didn't seem to have a post at a 'set-piece' conservative church into which Mr Ould himself would fit.

Posted by Richard Ashby at Friday, 28 October 2011 at 11:09pm BST

Richard Ashby: "And wasn't Jesus a maverick? Isn't that why he was crucified? I thought that was the whole point."


Posted by Old Father William at Saturday, 29 October 2011 at 12:09am BST

Erika, it's all available for catch-up here

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Saturday, 29 October 2011 at 8:42am BST
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