Comments: Truro diocese rejects Anglican Covenant

Perhaps the dam has broken? And the Holy Spirit is flowing free? [OCICBW on the latter]

Posted by JCF at Saturday, 19 November 2011 at 8:11pm GMT

The Bishop of Truro is the first Bishop to have the courage to break ranks and vote against the Covenant.Many of us are deeply grateful to him.We hope and pray that more Bishops wil realise that they can still respect the Archbishop while voting against this misguided and punitive proposed Anglican Covenant

Posted by Jean Mary Mayland at Sunday, 20 November 2011 at 4:29pm GMT

Well done the Bishop [and Laity and Clergy] of Truro. Voting for something because the ABC recommends it [which I have heard proposed as a reason to support the proposed Covenant] is a subversion of the principle of synodical government, which is based on the principle that each member has a responsibility for deciding for themselves in conscience, not deferring to hierarchy.

Posted by Tony Fitchett at Sunday, 20 November 2011 at 5:08pm GMT

The diocesan results to date:

For the Covenant: Durham, Lichfield, Europe

Against the Covenant: Wakefield, St Edmundsbury & Ipswich, Birmingham, Truro.

23 dioceses in favour is necessary for it to return to General Synod.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Monday, 21 November 2011 at 8:14am GMT

3 For and 5 Against! Sounds pretty good, so far.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Monday, 21 November 2011 at 10:12am GMT

3-4 actually.

St Eds & Ips is one diocese.

Posted by Simon Kershaw at Monday, 21 November 2011 at 6:58pm GMT

Thanks for that correction, Simon Kershaw. I had quite forgotten that some English dioceses have double geographical names - like Bath & Wells, but with 2 cathedrals.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Monday, 21 November 2011 at 8:25pm GMT

At the moment, I don't think any English diocese has two cathedrals (though the West Yorkshire scheme, if implemented, would change that). Of the double-barrelled sees, Bath and Wells only has Wells Cathedral (Bath having lost its cathedral status at the Reformation; St Eds & Ips has its cathedral at St Edmundsbury (aka Bury St Edmunds); Ripon & Leeds (formerly just Ripon) is at Ripon; Southwell & Nottingham (formerly just Southwell) is at Southwell (which is pronounced 'suthull' with voiced 'th'.)

Posted by Simon Kershaw at Tuesday, 22 November 2011 at 7:51am GMT

re the double-barrelled diocese; I can see why overseas visitors are surprised to find that an Abbey (like Westminster or Bath) is not a cathedral.
This makes it somewhat surprising that Westminster Abbey is the traditional place for coronations, and not Saint Paul's. Does that tradition date back to a time when the Abbey was a 'cathedral' - when the kingly throne was once a cathedra (seat of a bishop)

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 22 November 2011 at 9:30am GMT

Westminster Abbey was the cathedral of the short-lived diocese of Westminster from 1540 to 1550, and for a short period after that it was a cathedral of the diocese of London. But it has been the coronation church since Christmas Day 1066 when William the Conqueror was crowned king of England before the tomb of King Edward. All his successors (save only the uncrowned Edward V and Edward VIII) have been crowned in the same place, before the high altar of the Abbey. So, no, the Abbey was the coronation church long before its brief spell as a cathedral, and the inthronization at that service dates back even further, to Anglo-Saxon pagan kingship rituals, unrelated to the enthronement of a bishop.

Posted by Simon Kershaw at Tuesday, 22 November 2011 at 11:03pm GMT
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