Comments: Archbishop of Wales: Gospel must be good news for gay people

The novel was written in 2006, though set in the 1940s

Posted by Mikeb at Wednesday, 18 April 2012 at 12:41pm BST

This is right on the button. Like William Fittall in his memo about the O'Cathain amendment last December ("a gentleman's outfitter cannot be required to supply women's clothes") it recognizes that same-sex civil marriage, unlike civil partnerships on religious premises, requires a church response. Unlike the Fittall memo it proposes a sympathetic one.

Posted by Iain McLean at Wednesday, 18 April 2012 at 12:47pm BST

I am not sure that calling same-sex blessings or relationships a "moral issue" is appropriate. It has a note of judgement and still makes it seem that there is a chasm between straight and gay people's relationships in terms of their "morality". We don''t usually say that heterosexual relationships are, in themselves, a "moral issue". This kind of language can fan flames rather than quell them. When you put the word "moral" in the same sentence as "gay", it implies a different set of values in how gay people may be judged and gives comfort to those who simply say that being gay or having same-sex relationships boils down to nothing more than "morality". The default anti-gay position is that gay relationships are always "immoral", and this kind of language gives them an opportunity to frame their argument that way.

Posted by Adam Armstrong at Wednesday, 18 April 2012 at 1:27pm BST

The Church in Wales was once very conservative on marriage , having very high standards on divorce and re-marriage, right up until the early 1990s.

When I was a boy, I was taught by a brilliant RE teacher, who was a divorced vicar... his wife had just walked out on him. He didn't re-marry, but I felt it was really unfair that he had to resign.

He's still alive.. I wonder what he makes of this.

Evangelicalism is growing in the Church in Wales, but it will be interesting to see their reaction.

Posted by Robert Ian williams at Wednesday, 18 April 2012 at 5:01pm BST

Very fair comments.

People's love and care still matter, whether you agree with their moral positions or not. Their values of love and fidelity still matter, and they need to be affirmed by a community that follows God, not excluded or marginalised or vilified for their love.

Instead of a simplistic and polarised stance, the Archbishop's remarks invite the courage to recognise complexities, and the primary call to keep loving, to keep supporting.

I know nothing of the Archbishop's personal views on LGBT issues, but his comments here are sane, fair, and a challenge to Christians to live together, not shut out or stigmatise.

In the end, the Church can't control who people love.

But it can support, it can care, it can include.

With all our differences, we are One in Christ.

Posted by Susannah Clark at Wednesday, 18 April 2012 at 5:57pm BST

"I am not sure that calling same-sex blessings or relationships a "moral issue" is appropriate.
- Adam Armstrong -

Adam, I would rather these matters be called a 'moral issue' than an immoral one. Whether we like it or not the dissenters will refer to same-sex relationships in this way. For some of us, the lack of morality might be in their rejection of people who are in some way 'different'.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 19 April 2012 at 10:56am BST

I agree with Susannah - thank you Archbishop for speaking with clarity and compassion.

Posted by Simon at Thursday, 19 April 2012 at 11:04am BST

I just want to note that the Archbishop's remarks are ---for a change--- giving very positive, very loving face of the Church, to the wider community.

[I'm reading "THANK YOU, Archbishop Morgan!" All Over the Place, in quarters where the usual commentary on ANYTHING Christian is more apt to be of the "Eff You" variety. Need more like this! :-)]

Posted by JCF at Thursday, 19 April 2012 at 7:57pm BST

Thank God for Primates like Archbishop Barry Morgan. The Gospel, after all, is primarily about Justice!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Friday, 20 April 2012 at 1:39am BST

Actions speak louder than words.

Posted by evensongjunkie at Friday, 20 April 2012 at 3:21pm BST


The danger is that, if we run scared of the language of morality, it arouses the suspicion that we're running scared of morality itself, and thereby the suspicion that we're proposing something immoral and trying to conceal it. I think to make progress, we need to feel confident in saying such things as "discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation is morally repugnant", or indeed "discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation is a sin".

Posted by Feria at Friday, 20 April 2012 at 4:45pm BST

Morality ? Yes.

The moral failing of our hetero-normative society are crystal clear, and not yet fully repented of by Church and State.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Monday, 23 April 2012 at 5:48pm BST
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