Comments: More analyses of Sentamu and the vacancy at Canterbury

Both Pitcher and Brown have got some good journalistic copy here. It must be difficult for Sentamu to read it all.

...but whoever gets the job eventually will have to put up with even worse. You'd think that nobody would touch the role even with the proverbial 'barge pole'. Yet there's no shortage of candidates, even if the growing list doesn't contain any really promising or exciting names.

It's ironic that Rowan Williams was the clear and unstoppable front runner ten years ago, and look what the task and the press have done to him.

Posted by Concerned Anglican at Monday, 23 April 2012 at 10:54pm BST

Will Dr. Rowan Williams also ¨step down¨ from the Crown Nominating Commission? If so then the Anglican World, and more importantly the Church of England, will be safer from the bias, exclusion/backroom deals, and unwholesome scolding-lectures that make honorable members cry.

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Monday, 23 April 2012 at 11:26pm BST

Williams isn't looking as bad as some have suggested in light of the alternatives.

Posted by ruidh at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 12:13am BST

George Carey - "I am quite appalled. If there is a besmirching campaign then it is abhorrent." That's a bit rich coming from, in other matters, the one who may be called the Besmircher in Chief, since stepping down from Augustine's throne. No one more than his immediate predecessor has helped to make Rowan's life hell by not learning the art of keepin his trap shut. Carey's constant comments with regard to Rowan's plelature are on a par with the unhelpful advice Dr. Ramsey constantly received from Fisher.

Posted by Father David at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 5:37am BST

"Capricious, impulsive, vain" - words used to describe + Sentamu Ebor. Oh dear, is this yet another sign of decline in the standard of prelate in the Established Church? Time was when viewing the Orpen portrait at Bishopthorpe in the presence of Bishop Henson - Archbishop Lang said that they say it makes me look "Proud, pompous and prelatical".

Posted by Father David at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 5:57am BST

Leonardo, the outgoing archbishop has no role in the selection of his successor. He is replaced on the CNC by a lay person as chair, to be appointed by the Prime Minister. Expect an announcement shortly...

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 8:17am BST

My understanding (from random reading) is that there is technically nothing requiring that the next ABC be from the United Kingdom.

Does anyone know what / where the list of must-have qualifications are?

Posted by Randal Oulton at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 9:02am BST

Andrew Brown - 'The Church of England has never suffered from a lack of leadership. What it has quite run out of now is followership'.

Indeed. Some of us have grown up and started to think for ourselves. Always a dangerous time for a Church.

Posted by Richard Ashby at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 9:41am BST

Let me on expand Simon's comment above.

The Archbishop of Canterbury is actually replaced by two people. One is the lay chair, who becomes an additional member of the CNC. But in addition the House of Bishops elects a bishop to sit on the CNC in place of the ABC, as the central membership always includes two (arch)bishops.

In this particular case the House will elect two bishops, the second one to replace the Archbishop of York who has decided not to take up his place on the CNC.

Posted by Peter Owen at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 10:19am BST

And don't forget Hensley Henson's brilliant riposte -

"And to which of those epithets does Your Grace take exception?"

Posted by JeremyP at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 10:31am BST

and,Fr David, Bishop Hensley Henson who was there, added " and to which of those epithets does your grace take exception". those were the days!

Posted by Perry Butler at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 10:36am BST

You may remember, Fr David, Henson's reported reply to Archbishop Laing: "To which of those epithets does Your Grace take exception?" Lang, of course, was all those things. Though back in the 1930s archbishops didn't have to deal with irreverent hacks and bloggers raking over their personal attributes, speculating about their sexuality (not irrelevant in Lang's case), and generally reminding them just how pompous and prelatical they were. Who'd be an Archbishop, eh?

Posted by rjb at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 12:43pm BST

James Jones, Bishop of Liverpool -- finally a name that makes spiritually/emotionally healthy and plain good sense (for everyone)...no doubt the most extreme ¨Evangelical¨ contingent at Church will find him unsuitable because he is wholesome, welcoming, fair, self-searching/open-minded and reasonable--qualities that Dr. Williams seemed to once of had.

The thought of humility, self-searching dignity AND a less stubborn ¨first among equals¨ at Lambeth Palace is exciting. Imagine, the Archbishop of Canterbury without the snearing, hard-headed, arched eye brows and fits/tantrums of pomposity. Imagine, rejuvenating and welcoming sermons that the least, and most, amongst us can ALL understand and be inspired by...ALL sinners, ALL the time.

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 2:03pm BST

Paul Vallely's piece suggests that Sentamu might be quite a good pick.

George Pitcher's "Ten Media Tips for the Church" in the Church Times last October suggested that the Lambeth Palace insiders - with their desire for an Archbishop would wouldn't rock their boat - should no longer be allowed to fill his diary up for him. If they are frightened of Sentamu taking just that line, George Pitcher would say that was a good thing.

Rowan Williams' softly softly approach of appeasement and conciliation has done nothing to satisfy GAFCON’s appetite for self-aggrandisement, at the expense of Canterbury and the old churches of the United Kingdom and North America - which the GAFCON Chairman yesterday referred to as "dwindling enclaves of those who have been left behind by the tide of history".

Maybe a forthright Archbishop of Canterbury who will not accept insults and attacks as meekly as Williams would be worth a try. A lot of GAFCON rhetoric characterises Canterbury as colonialist and lacking the vigour of churches planted in the East African revival. This line would hardly work against an Archbishop with his own roots in Uganda.

I don't think Sentamu's more robust and impatient approach would succeed. I suspect it would just blow relations between Canterbury and GAFCON up completely. But would that be much worse than the present state of not-so-civil war?

For me, the main objection to Sentamu is not so much that he is illiberal, although he is. It is that, whenever I have heard him interviewed, he responds very poorly to questioning and falls back on party lines which he does not seem able to rationalise or defend coherently. This would not make him an effective Archbishop of Canterbury, the role being one which has very little power, and depends mostly on powers of persuasion.

Sentamu has already been strongly associated with attempts to impose top down archiepiscopal solutions to the women bishops legislation, which failed humiliatingly, and the Anglican Covenant, which has also failed in England. These seem to confirm that he lacks the skills required to make a successful Archbishop of Canterbury in the synodically governed Church of England of the 21st century.

But he wouldn't be in post long. And most people now see the tenure of the highly intelligent and relatively open minded Rowan Williams as a failure. Where Sentamu would have a big advantage over Rowan Williams is that he likes publicity and has a much better common touch, as evidenced by his regular column in the Sun newspaper. No doubt the press would chew him up and spit him out in the end, but they do that with every Archbishop of Canterbury.

Posted by badman at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 6:26pm BST

It's amazing how much campaigning is done for an office where open campaigning is probably considered beyond good taste, not kosher, bad form, etc.
I guess the Holy Spirit needs a little nudge from the proper sorts of people.

Posted by peterpi - Peter Gross at Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 7:20pm BST

What about the Bishop of Truro- moderate Catholic,
theologian, experience both in parish work and ordination training - a Suffragan Bishop and then a Diocesan one - and young enough to continue after the next Lambeth Conference.

Posted by Jean Mary Mayland at Wednesday, 25 April 2012 at 10:59am BST

That last post is an amazing commendation for this forum; see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8222822/Marriage-should-be-between-a-man-and-a-woman.html

Posted by John Waldsax at Thursday, 26 April 2012 at 9:04am BST

And, Jean...what about Steven Croft Bishop of Sheffield....not unlike Truro ( parish experience, ran a theological college etc) and a sensible moderate evangelical. He also has a track record in mission.
It seems to me that one of the first things the Commission will have to decide is whether to go for someone over 60....Sentamu, Jones,James or the younger generation Cocksworth, Croft, or possibly the Bishops of Chelmsford and perhaps Truro.

Posted by Perry Butler at Thursday, 26 April 2012 at 11:26am BST


Jones or James, both sound good to me, but then, I'm only an old colonial.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 11:10am BST

and perhaps I should have added ,has strong roots in the north of England. It might be good to have someone with first hand experience of what I recently heard described by an academic as "England's East Germany rather than London /Oxbridge and the Home Counties.

Posted by Perry Butler at Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 12:23pm BST

I am more than a little astonished to find myself in agreement with Jean Mary Mayland and her endorsement of the Bishop of Truro as the next Cantuar. Of course, if this unlikely preferment came about, this wouldn't be the first time a massive leap had been made from Truro to Canterbury in that Edward White Benson made such a move in 1883.
One of his sons - A C Benson was Master of Magdalene College Cambridge (1915-1925). Now that self same college is fortunate enough to be gaining not merely an Archbishop of Canterbury's son as Master but no less than the Archbishop himself.
How fortunate we are to be living in this "Land of Hope and Glory". May Rowan be blessed with many years of future happiness at Cambridge - he certainly deserves it following ten years of trials and tribulations at Canterbury!

Posted by Father David at Monday, 30 April 2012 at 7:36am BST
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