Comments: Bishops support Ugandan Anti-Homosexuality Bill

Just horrified. The bill is a blueprint for abuse. All for supporting marriage family values etc, but NOT at the expense of LGBT communities and individuals. Just mortifying being out and about in a collar this month... but if I leave does it just hand over the church to those I think least represent Gods love...? Reading Schillebeeckx on the train today; ' The church must, so to speak, make God the Father and Jesus, his Son who became man, visibly present for all men, show herself in the power of the Holy Spirit. What is necessary is not a naive faith, but a living, mature and lucid faith which is strong enough for martyrdom. In this strong faith, christians must be in the vanguard of those who care for their fellow men and who work for greater justice and love in society.'

How I long to represent a church that really works for greater justice and love, and how heartbreakingly far we are from that great vision...

(I'm having to work at mentally inserting human into the references to men, but there we are...)

Posted by Lindsay Southern at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 8:48am BST

"the UJCC resolution was pushed by an Anglican Bishop…"

Is it too much to hope that the C of E's HoB, who, as we know are great suporters of the LGBT community and their desire for strong institutions to support their relationships, will be swift and vociferous in condemning this disgusting attack on the human rights of LGBT people in Uganda?

Posted by JeremyP at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 8:53am BST

I imagine that if you are gay it feels as if this is the extreme end of the same spectrum that the Church of England's recent response on same sex marriage is on.

Posted by Concerned Anglican at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 9:40am BST

Unbelievably appalling on the part of so called 'Christian' Churches

Posted by Jean Mayland at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 9:45am BST

Can't the C of E just hold a conference and ask the Uganda church to exercise "gracious restraint"?

Oh.

Kyrie eleison.

Posted by Kathryn at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 11:01am BST

The proactive stance of Anglican Archbishop of Uganda, urging the Ugandan Government to resurrect the Anti-homosexuality Bill, which would provide for inhumane treatment of Gays in Uganda; demonstrates why many Thinking Anglicans would not want to be part of a special 'Covenant' relationship with this prelate and his Province of the Anglican Communion.

At least, the Roman Catholic and other religious bodies seem less prepared to push the legislation through parliament than Archbishop Orombi, who seems hell-bent on the persecution of Gays in his own Church. What is Christian about that?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 12:19pm BST

The greater, number ONE, ¨shredding¨ of the fabric of morals in Ugandan society is done by heterosexuals who are irresponsible partners and often deadbeat fathers who reproduce and run:

http://leonardoricardosanto.blogspot.com/2012/06/attention-archbishop-orombi-and-mp.html

Uganda is a vertically corrupt country with First Lady, MP Janet Museveni (she wants to be president after her husband), wife of the long-time President preached:

"In God's word, homosexuality attracts a curse, but now people are engaging in it and saying they are created that way. It is for money The devil is stoking fires to destroy our nation and those taking advantage are doing so because our people are poor,"
http://leonardoricardosanto.blogspot.com/2011/09/wickedleaks-madame-despot-first-lady.html

It seems to me that Archbishop Orombi, the RC Archbishop and others have taken their eyes off the REAL and sickly social issues in Uganda such as Child Witchburning, Rampant Alcoholism and Overpopulation (3rd highest in the world) in favor of demonizing and persecuting LGBT citizens, throwing them in Jail or worse.

Irresponsible grandstanding and dangerous actions directed toward fellow human beings...this from ¨religious¨ men and women and tainted ¨politicians¨ who seem passionate, yet selective, about their version of what makes up destructive behavior in Uganda.

Lord have mercy

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 2:30pm BST

Jesus wept.

Posted by Serena at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 2:37pm BST

Vile, murderous behaviour from so-called 'men of god'.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 2:38pm BST

Maybe the archbishop of York will condemn it in the Daily Mail? Or write to the PM about it?

Posted by Lapinbizarre/Roger Mortimer at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 5:55pm BST

Thank you, Serena on Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 2:37pm BST.

Roman Catholic and Anglican bishops coming together at last on common ground. Maybe they can sing "Kumbaya" and roast frankfurters over the campfire as GLBT people are led to the Ugandan gulags.

My local bishop here across the pond held pastoral consultations a year or so ago as TEC prepared for its general convention. He talked movingly of the enormous suffering in poverty and sickness of the African people. Later, I asked him a question about GLBT issues that may arise at the convention, and his attitude was "How can we worry about trivial inequalities when faced with African suffering?"
Maybe I'll send him these links.
The Jesus of the Gospels, as I read it, cared about all of his lost sheep, not just the ones we are more comfortable with.

Posted by peterpi - Peter Gross at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 6:35pm BST

CofE bishops fiddle re marriage equality, while LGBT Ugandans burn. Jesus wept, indeed.

Posted by JCF at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 10:14pm BST

It would be problematic for C of E bishops to condemn their Ugandan brethren given that the doctrine underpinning statements made to their respective governments this week is that gay unions present a threat to the institution of marriage.

Posted by Andrew at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 10:40pm BST

Oh, Jesus, is there nothing you can do? Please!

Posted by Lois Keen at Thursday, 14 June 2012 at 11:27pm BST

So, what's the story behind the story?

You have a country in which HIV infections reaches epidemic proportions in the 80's. The chief culprit in transmission has been heterosexual promiscuity. There is a mass-media campaign that preaches the US-sponsored (republican) mantra ABC: Abstinence, Be Faithful, use a Condom. Miraculously, HIV declines dramatically in the 90's. The abstinence program is acclaimed (dubiously) as a Republican success story during the Bush era, but as US funding continues to pour in (see http://www.pepfar.gov/about/2010/africa/150628.htm), there is political pressure to widen the moral agenda. Clearly, US money is on hand to turn Uganda into the darling of right-wing third-world neo-imperialism and a bulwark against the spread of Islamic fundamentalism.

In climate of heightened fear, a savvy young Ugandan politician sees his opportunity to theocratise a nation that has seen over a million die of AIDS-related illnesses. He introduces a Private Member's Bill against homosexuality, declaring that only a complete return to Old Testament justice will placate an angry God and stay the plague for good.

To paraphrase Caiaphas: 'You do not realize that it is better for you that a few gays die for the people than that the whole nation perish.' (John 11:50). Ugandans are not gullible, but fearful of an intolerably hostile disease.

The antidote is for the true church to educate Ugandans that AIDS is not a divine curse that will only be lifted by a campaign of extermination; for the true church to fund and send out Christian healers (whether medical or charismatic) who like Christ, charge nothing and expose the superstitious, opportunistic sons of Sceva (Acts 19:11 - 20)

Whatever opposition that I've raised here, I will repeat what I said on TA 25th January: 'Men are won through persuasion of the truth and after-life accountability, not the worldly sanctions that misguided societies have imposed.'

Posted by David Shepherd at Friday, 15 June 2012 at 1:03am BST

"Whatever opposition that I've raised here, I will repeat what I said on TA 25th January: 'Men are won through persuasion of the truth and after-life accountability, not the worldly sanctions that misguided societies have imposed.'"

You shall know the tree by the fruit that it bears, and so far, that ecclesiastical and legal tree is a hanging tree full of corpses from Daniel Zamudio to David Kato.

Posted by Counterlight at Friday, 15 June 2012 at 11:48am BST

"In climate of heightened fear, a savvy young Ugandan politician sees his opportunity to theocratise a nation that has seen over a million die of AIDS-related illnesses. He introduces a Private Member's Bill against homosexuality, declaring that only a complete return to Old Testament justice will placate an angry God and stay the plague for good.

To paraphrase Caiaphas: 'You do not realize that it is better for you that a few gays die for the people than that the whole nation perish.' (John 11:50). Ugandans are not gullible, but fearful of an intolerably hostile disease.

The antidote is for the true church to educate Ugandans that AIDS is not a divine curse that will only be lifted by a campaign of extermination; for the true church to fund and send out Christian healers (whether medical or charismatic) who like Christ, charge nothing and expose the superstitious, opportunistic sons of Sceva (Acts 19:11 - 20)"


Does anyone else find this rationalization of genocide to be monstrous?

Posted by Counterlight at Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 1:01am BST

Comparing the Ugandan bill to the conspiracy of Caiaphas against Jesus is hardly a rationalisation.

I guess it's your turn to rouse the majority to demonise a minority.

Posted by David Shepherd at Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 7:34am BST

So, David Shepherd, do we take it you're with the Archbishop of Uganda on this particular issue?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Monday, 18 June 2012 at 12:20pm BST
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