Comments: Women Bishops: online petitions

All very laudable, but really by far the most useful way to achieve women bishops is to join and support WATCH.

Posted by Dan Barnes-Davies at Sunday, 25 November 2012 at 3:22pm GMT

With regard to the recent vote, it is often claimed on this site and indeed in the above reports, that the General Synod is somehow less democratic and representative than the more local Diocesan Synods. I would suggest that this is not necessarily the case. Diocesan Synod representatives, both clergy and lay, are, I believe, elected by Deanery Synod members, by either first past the post of single transferable vote. The electorate is small – of the order of a few tens approximately in each house, and in my experience the shortage of those prepared to be candidates often leads to uncontested elections. The ratio of the number of electors to the number of representatives is thus relatively small. Such a system is not necessarily conducive to a synod that is fully representative of the views of the church, and is indeed open to manipulation if desired. Minority candidates are less likely to be elected using such a procedure. General Synod elections have the same electorate in general from Deanery Synod members, who between them elect a small number of diocesan representatives to General Synod using the single transferable vote mechanism. These elections usually have a lengthy list of candidates. The ratio of the number of electors to the number of their representatives is thus much higher than for Diocesan Synods and the results likely to be more representative of the views of Deanery Synod members at least. Thus in my view there is a greater chance of General Synod being representative of its electorate than would be the case for Diocesan Synods.

Posted by Chris Baker at Sunday, 25 November 2012 at 4:22pm GMT

Don't these people realise that by abandoning the democratic process and forcing women bishops on the C of E the result will be 'second-class' bishops!

Only if it is the clear will of Synod, which involves agreement on the right legislation, will women be accepted as bishops with any sort of credibility.

The pontificating of Liberal atheist MPs and the proposals of knee-jerk petitioners are doing more harm to the cause than good.

Posted by Jonathan Edwards II at Sunday, 25 November 2012 at 11:01pm GMT

There are a number of Churches that rely on "women" to keep going.
The general synod should get moving into the 21st Century.

Posted by Joan Carter at Monday, 26 November 2012 at 6:48pm GMT

"The pontificating of Liberal atheist MPs and the proposals of knee-jerk petitioners are doing more harm to the cause than good." - Jonathan Edwards -

The sad fact is, that the Church of England has to be brought 'up to standard' with human justice issues, and if it requires ordinary citizens and the civil government to pave the way; then maybe the Church needs to pull its ecclesiastical socks up.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Monday, 26 November 2012 at 8:42pm GMT

'the Church of England has to be brought 'up to standard' with human justice issues' - Fr Ron Smith

With respect Father the appointing of senior clergy is hardly a 'human justice issue.' It is the work of the Holy Spirit.

If we let politicians determine the outcome of this matter then why not the Church's mind on matters of gender, finance, and the sacraments etc.

The Church must listen carefully to what the Holy Spirit is saying through this debate. The Church must not be forced to conform to the so called 'standard' of secular society, whatever that is.

Or else the first century Christians might as well have sacrificed to the Roman gods after all. Thank God they didn't give in!

Posted by Jonathan Edwards II at Monday, 26 November 2012 at 10:23pm GMT

"The Church must not be forced to conform to the so called 'standard' of secular society, whatever that is." - Jonathan Edwards -

You say, Jonathan, that the concept of human justice is not involved in this matter of Women in ministry. however, even the O.T. reminds us of God's intention towards all God's children - male and female - in this way: "The is what Yahweh asks of you: only this, to act justly; to love tenderly and to walk humbly with your God" (Micah 6:8) - and this is in pre-Christian patriarchal times, when Women were 'kept in their place'.

How much more might the Christ of the Gospels who 'sent' Mary Magdalene to 'tell the Good News' if His resurrection to the male Apostles, want women to be recognised as equal minister in His Church?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 27 November 2012 at 12:34am GMT

Father, then we must trust that the Holy Spirit will guide the way.

Posted by Jonathan Edwards II at Tuesday, 27 November 2012 at 10:23am GMT

It is unreasonable not allow women to become Bishops, our religion must accept that women offer as much knowledge compassion and support as men and in many cases have greater inner strength than many men. We need representation across all sectors and the church should be leading the way not inhibiting progress.

Posted by Natalie Tiddy at Tuesday, 27 November 2012 at 5:48pm GMT
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