Comments: "A very bad day for the Church of England"

As he left Lambeth Palace for the last time George Carey rather risibly said that he left the Church of England in good heart!
As Rowan shuts the palace door and puts the key in the lock on New Year's Eve - I wonder what he will be saying as he sighs deeply and heads for Cambridge?

Posted by Father David at Friday, 14 December 2012 at 9:35am GMT

Fa. David, I don't know what Rowan will say, Jesus said that you can tell the real prophets from the false one's by the fruits of their labor (sorry, labour).

Simply sad. I don't know why the CoE doesn't embrace the Good News and share it. All these machinations!!! Is it because the UK has a reasonable social welfare program that the Church has nothing to say about poverty and suffering?

As an American (who has needed the NHS) I so envy the social contract that the UK has. But I'm sure that there are still people poor and suffering, I read about the riots in Bristol and nationwide a summer later, there's the Occupy movement for social justice. Can CoE not get on with the work of loving one's neighbour and advocating for their dignity and social justice?

Recognizing all people as being created in the image of God is liberating. It opens channels to people's hearts and minds. All of these machinations and thinly disguise hate (misogyny, homophobia, and racism are all forms of hate) close hearts and minds. What fruits does CoE want to see?

Posted by Cynthia at Friday, 14 December 2012 at 4:15pm GMT

"Out of touch"?

A very bad day for the Church of England will be the day that theology is determined by public opinion polls.

Posted by Charles at Friday, 14 December 2012 at 5:17pm GMT

On leaving Lambeth: "Que sera, sera,...'?

Posted by Andrew at Friday, 14 December 2012 at 5:25pm GMT

Public opinion right now seems to be more loving and gracious than CoE, Charles. More germane, as far as I can tell, from worshipping in the UK and reading blogs, large numbers of CoE clergy and laity share the belief that all people are created in the image of God and have some understanding that that belief must have an impact on the policies and practices of the church.

So we aren't talking exclusively about "public opinion," we're talking about opinion within the church itself. These days, opinion within the church tends to be pretty educated. And it isn't as if the bigotry from CoE's leadership has a strong theological grounding. The Church has a long nasty history of all sorts of oppression, so history is probably not a strong reason for excluding people.

Now off to mourn America's enormous sin of loving guns more than children...

Posted by Cynthia at Saturday, 15 December 2012 at 6:30pm GMT

I don't see the problem with opinion polls, when most Christian "theology" was decided by whomever could get the muscle or money to back them - emperor, king, pope, army, thugs. Frankly, I think it may be time to stop saying "only so-and-so has insight into God." It's constantly used for manipulation and contrary to what Christ tells us.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Tuesday, 18 December 2012 at 12:01pm GMT
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