Comments: Sunday programme discusses European court rulings

I found the mention of this week a little confusing (though the link works). The programme is called 'Sunday'.

I heard it live and it was very refreshing to hear such balanced and intelligent approach to the issues considered by ECHR, and the guy from The Christian Legal Centre was well interrogated. The weaknesses of the Centre's approach was laid bare.

The discussion between Chalke and the Evangelical Alliance chap was also very good. What a change of tone from opponents of the human rights of lgbt ! We are no longer sinful, criminal or perverted ! They sounded like alumni friends in substantial agrement with each other, except for one small point - as Steve's interlocutor put it.

Ms. Chaplin came across as disgruntled and unappreciative of the efforts of the NHS to accomodate her.

The programme also raised Martin Reynolds' point about whether these people had been used by the campaigning organisations, in question, - The Christian Legal Centre and Christian Institute.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Sunday, 20 January 2013 at 10:01pm GMT

I would agree that (my former St Andrews colleague) Steve Holmes was very gracious. I am glad the host allowed him some time, vis-a-vis the loquacious Chalke. I suspect in time the resistance to ss marriage will be viewed as criminal conduct. (Though it was intriguing to read that the secular French public do not want the word used beyond its customary sense).

Posted by cseitz at Sunday, 20 January 2013 at 11:14pm GMT

Laurence I have adjusted the text to make the date of broadcast clear.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Monday, 21 January 2013 at 12:01am GMT

I agree with Laurence's comments about the Christian Legal Centre - a busted flush? Shirley Chaplin came over as obdurate and offended that anyone who dare suggest there might be a health issue with jewellery was immediately attacking her faith. What she didn't seem to realise is that if she is the salt of the earth and acted in a Christlike way what need would there be for badges and symbols?
As for Andrew Marsh - was that his name? - such an uncompromising solipsistic self-justification is like wormwood in the mouth.

Posted by Tom at Monday, 21 January 2013 at 9:03am GMT

In this country, same sex marriage is starting to open up a serious generational divide between older and younger Evangelicals. Many younger Evangelicals appear to want to cut ties to right wing politics and to pursue other issues such as economic justice and environmental stewardship. Policing everyone's sex lives appears to them to be a waste of time and energy, as well as too great a risk of looking hypocritical and ridiculous. Hardly a month goes by in this country without some earnest public moral scold getting caught with his (it's almost always his) pants down with a boy or a girl.

Posted by Counterlight at Monday, 21 January 2013 at 1:44pm GMT

Thanks very much for that, Simon.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Monday, 21 January 2013 at 8:23pm GMT

'I suspect in time the resistance to ss marriage will be viewed as criminal conduct.'

I have no doubt that you regard the incarceration of lgbt in the UK with repentance and great regret. Never mind, the imprisonment and killing in many countries in the present century.

I look forward to hearing you support those voicing concern and abhorrence for the treatment of lgbt poeple around the world.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Monday, 21 January 2013 at 8:26pm GMT

"Steve Holmes was very gracious"

As gracious as one can be while deprecating other Christian families as sinful (particularly when the alleged "sin" is simply adherence to the same standard of monogamy and fidelity we hold up as positive for heterosexuals).

Posted by Geoff at Tuesday, 22 January 2013 at 4:47pm GMT
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