Comments: Religious Freedom and LGBT Rights: Are They Compatible?

Why should they be incompatible?

Posted by Counterlight at Sunday, 3 March 2013 at 10:48pm GMT

If it's society that drives Christianity then of course there is no need for them to be incompatible, however I suspect that it makes more sense to believers if the reverse is true.

Posted by extremecheese at Sunday, 3 March 2013 at 11:10pm GMT

Not only are they compatible, but each entails the other - at least that is what I plan to argue at the meeting.

Posted by Iain McLean at Monday, 4 March 2013 at 9:04am GMT

Hmmm shame, and double drat? I can't get there.

Well, there is much huffing and puffing from a variety of players, not all of them simpering acolytes of the ill named Anglican Mainstream, who think that there is a trade off and the faith community is losing out.

Indeed the celebrated Aidan O'Neill QC made some murmurings to that effect at a Cutting Edge Consortium event last year.

I understand that Aidan and others at Matrix are considering staging a public debate on the very same topic later in the year.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Monday, 4 March 2013 at 12:18pm GMT

"If it's society that drives Christianity then of course there is no need for them to be incompatible, however I suspect that it makes more sense to believers if the reverse is true."

Believers in Homophobia-Uber-Alles, extreme?

If ALL homophobia were eliminated from the Church tomorrow (Maranatha!), I suspect it would still take 100 years for the Church to recover from the damage that this homophobia has caused to the Gospel message (Kyrie eleison!).

Posted by JCF at Monday, 4 March 2013 at 8:17pm GMT

"Brethren, love one another, for love is of God!" That seems to resonate somehow with the reality.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 5 March 2013 at 12:46am GMT

My own view, not that anyone is likely to ask it, is that religious rights have been treated as pre-eminent until very recently. They have occupied a unique position elevated above other rights.

Just how those religious rights might be in conflict with other rights can be seen in the way French thinkers addressed the issue back in 1789 when The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen set out to guarantee the freedom of religion, as long as religious activities did not infringe on public order in ways detrimental to society.

I think Christians might say that the ability to act according to the tenets of your faith or the instructions of your religious leaders has declined in the last century or two and that here in Europe we are begging to see the wider consequences of this as Christianity loses more of its privileged position, and that despite the fact that many countries still have some form of Christianity forming part of the structure of the state.

So, it is the loss of this elevated status in the hierarchy of rights that is the problem, trying to get establish a new balance point is where we are now.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Tuesday, 5 March 2013 at 11:04am GMT

As an ordained gay religious person, I find those with power would like to split me up - no doubt the process would destroy 'me' if fully realized.

Also I hear very little about the rights, interests, needs and perspectives, of those of us from council estates, whom the Church ignores as much as it can, and when unavoidable approaches us with noses-held.


Posted by Laurence Roberts at Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 11:45am GMT

The link below from the Cyprus Mail could have been posted in any thread on this forum. It illustrates the breadth of views found in Christian nations even with the EU.

It will raise some members blood pressure.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/archbishoop-chrysostomos-ii/church-speaks-out-cremation-civil-partnerships-and-periods/20130307

Posted by Labarum at Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 11:03am GMT

'The link below from the Cyprus Mail could have been posted in any thread on this forum. It illustrates the breadth of views found in Christian nations even with the EU'

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/archbishoop-chrysostomos-ii/church-speaks-out-cremation-civil-partnerships-and-periods/20130307
Posted by: Labarum on Thursday, 7 March 2013

What a lovely comment.

How encouraging to find the Church of Cyprus struggling so valiently to enter the 1920s and 30s.

I shall endeavour to avoid civil partnerships, cremation and menstruation in the future. Back to the future...

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Friday, 8 March 2013 at 11:51am GMT

Here we see the 'conservatives' (they are not -simply arrogant) attack on a young man who gives religious reflection on Our Lord and lgbt.

But Cranmer fights back !


http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/03/08/influential-christian-blogger-defends-pinknews-founder-benjamin-cohen-against-accusations-of-blasphamy/

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Friday, 8 March 2013 at 1:41pm GMT
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