Benighted, Neanderthal, etc., but they draw inspiration from their UK brethren.
This is a dishonest document.
The attitude towards homosexuality is not a culturally fixed icon. Indeed the present position of gay people in the Carribean reflects closely on the nations who were once the imperial power here. So in Saba you can get married, and the former French, Dutch or Spanish possessions open their arms to gay people and the law is very welcoming.
Whereas in former British colonies the same vicious anti-gay laws the UK left behind often remain. It is morally just and an obligation for the British government to agitate for laws they drafted to be set aside.
Using the giving of aid to promote the cause of freedom from oppressive legislation and gay equality is a fair and proportionate response to this evil.
Strange that the only document or text quoted here was one from the English House of Bishops, what a shame the did not start with their obligations under the statement from the Dromantine meeting:
"The victimisation or diminishment of human beings whose affections happen to be ordered towards people of the same sex is anathema to us. We assure homosexual people that they are children of God, loved and valued by him, and deserving of the best we can give of pastoral care and friendship."
Thanks be to God that there are some people who are still willing to stand with God, even in the face of persecution.
Canada should look in the mirror before it starts to bully other countries about the gay issue. Our society is in free fall. The huge majority of people now care only for themselves and will take out as much as they get away with while putting in as little as they can. Because it is "all about me". So much for being a people of God!
So sad, so mean spirited, boldly obstinate, unrealistic (spiritually dangerous of body, soul and mind - theirs and other peoples).
What this group of older gentlemen, and they are older men, really mean is the Caribbean Peoples remain in a state of pretending that the intimate lives/loves of some of her people is different than it really is...no muss, no fuss, focus on false double standards and deceit and all will continue to appear exclusively heterosexual and Afro-Caribbean pure...the Bible tells them so as a LGBTI bloodbath continues in Jamaica and other outposts of superstitious damning of *equality and difference* at the Anglican Communion. GAFCON, no doubt will keep them reassured along with their accomplices at the sparsely attended Province of the Southern Cone while the whole of the Western Hemisphere embraces diversity and Christian love of ones neighbors.
It's not that long ago that Britain, both in legislation and in culture, was profoundly racist to an extent that makes today's racism look positively enlightened. Should the CofE have protested against the Race Relations Bill, on the grounds that it offended against long-standing cultural norms of casual racism?
It is ironic that the most vicious homophobia in the Church of England comes from black bishops. A generation ago, they would have been excluded from their posts on the grounds of race, which could have been backed with with exactly the same sort of language. But it wasn't, because the CofE was better than that then, and saw racism for the wrong that it is. The CofE should be better than that now. When churches discriminate more profoundly, more deeply and more enthusiastically that society at large, something has gone very wrong.
There's a lot of anti-gay violence in Jamaica. I don't know about the other islands.
Patriarchy and promiscuity reign amongst straight, married men on some of the islands. I wonder if there is going to be a call for discriminatory laws against straight men because of this?
Odd that the same wing of the Church that likes to use the argument that SSBs are a capitulation to modern culture by a Body that is called to be countercultural, appeals to secular culture as an authority for outlawing SSBs. Seems the Church must be countercultural and prop up the dominant culture at the same time - anything to keep out the gay.
"The Bishops and Standing Committee argued that if human rights are being invoked as the basis for same-sex unions, that same principle should be applied to allow Caribbean people the right to affirm their cultural and religious convictions regarding their definitions of marriage."
Fine by me. I see your wager and I make a call.
"The Diocese of Jamaica has this press statement: ...stated that the idea of same-sex unions is totally unacceptable on theological and cultural grounds."
What's truly "unacceptable" (on GOSPEL grounds) is the vicious homophobic violence we've seen in Jamaica. Anathema!
"if human rights are being invoked as the basis for same-sex unions, that same principle should be applied to allow Caribbean people the right to affirm their cultural and religious convictions regarding their definitions of marriage"
HUMAN rights CANNOT be Zero-Sum. The rights of Human A can never abrogate the rights of Human B. If the W.I. bishops are trying to claim that they have the *human rights* to override the human rights of LGBTs, that's a ***non-sensical non-starter***.
Interested Observer wrote:
It's not that long ago that Britain, both in legislation and in culture, was profoundly racist to an extent that makes today's racism look positively enlightened... It is ironic that the most vicious homophobia in the Church of England comes from black bishops.
I note that Archbishop Desmond Tutu is a strong supporter of human rights for all children of God, including LGBT children. Further, Corretta Scott King noted that she and MLK were supporters of gay equality, and noted the participation of gays in the Civil Rights movement for African Americans.
Yes, it is most sad that some of the most recently oppressed are now the oppressors. It certainly mirrors the early history of Christianity. It goes to show that the church has erred numerous times, including on misogyny and homophobia.
I, like Interested Observer, find it hard to understand how those once (or even now) on the receiving end of prejudice, can notwithstanding also be on the giving end. President Obama said it well at the inauguration earlier this year; Seneca Falls (vote for women); Selma (anti-segregation of Blacks) and Stonewall (rights and dignity for Gays)are all connected. Civil Rights are human rights and human dignity. If I thought our Lord were of any other persuasion, I wouldn't be a Christian.
The dishonesty is also in conflating legal recognition of same-sex unions and opening up of marriage to same-sex couples with decriminalisation of homosexuality and prevention of anti-LGBT violence.
Bishop Drexel Gomez has a lot to answer for - in his implacable stand against the Gay community in the Church. Homophobia is still rife in places other than the Global South, but the West Indies is not immune to sex and gender difference. Kyrie eleison!
"While claiming to invoke human rights as the basis for such imposition, we submit that the same principle must allow us the right to affirm our cultural and religious convictions regarding our definitions of that most basic of social institutions, marriage."
So why not a legally protected right to antisemitism? It is an affirmation of "cultural and religious convictions" after all.
Bill Dilworth's reaction is my own: whenever Anglicans in Canada insist (by way of argument contra marriage equality) that our task is to challenge and transform the culture, I note that they invariably weren't to be found pressing for the Anglican Church of Canada to amend the marriage canon before 2004.
When was the last time the religion of the Churches was counter-cultural ?
E.g. The BCP 1662 simply accepts the situation on the 'Plantations' in its Baptism of those who are of Riper Years
ED: perhaps my sole voice for the Caribbean will be heard. The stats on patriarchy and promiscuity are clear.
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