Comments: Church of Scotland votes on allowing gay clergy

I'm inclined to agree with Fr. Kelvin Holdsworth, that the hotch-potch result of this decision will undermine any attempt to outlaw discrimination in the Church of Scotland on grounds of the sexual-orientation of its ministers.

It really seems like a congregationalist outcome, rather than that of a coherent theological entity - a bit like the PEV system in the Church of England?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 21 May 2013 at 3:56am BST

Building the Church of Jesus Christ is not easy in a fallen world; it never has been and it was never anticipated it would be by Christ Himself, the King of His Kingdom and the Head of the body, the living spiritual organism which is His Church - the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, but they will endeavour so to do, daily.
For all of us it is vital that the Church of Jesus Christ maintains and is shaped by what God has spoken in His Word - both living and written [Hebrews 1.1ff].
Within this spiritual warfare there will be occasions when things are done among the people of God, which God Himself does not condone but does not overturn:
in the choosing of a king in Israel [1 Samuel 8-12]God Himself was rejected as King [1 Sam 8.7], the people even acknowledged their sin in their 'asking for' such a thing [1 Sam 12.19] yet God called on Samuel to give the people what they asked for - 'Saul'[1 Sam 8.7; 12.13]. Yet God remained King in Israel [1 Sam 12.14; 12.18b (including King Saul!)].
in the matter of divorce, Jesus made clear to the Pharisees that to exercise it was to undo what God had done - "what God has joined together let not man separate" [Matthew 19.6], and Jesus Himself reminded them that God had only 'allowed' divorce (not condoned it - He hated it]because of the hardness of heart of His people [Mt 19.8].
Could it be that our CoS has followed, maybe by accident rather than design (!), this biblical paradigm? Both sides of the Commission recognised that Scripture nowhere speaks of God's pleasure in homosexual practice (anymore than in greed, slander ...)but the practice being perceived by many within today's society to be a godly even 'christian' perspective, being a more 'equal' way,[cf Israel wanting a king to be 'like other nations'] was allowed to congregations who would 'ask for' such to be allowed when they 'chose' their new minister.

Posted by william at Tuesday, 21 May 2013 at 8:28am BST

Much ado about nothing.

Heterosexnormativists need to grow up.

Posted by Laurence at Tuesday, 21 May 2013 at 12:24pm BST

Congregationalist maybe - civilised definitely.

Posted by John at Tuesday, 21 May 2013 at 1:12pm BST

It's messy, but not everyone moves at the same speed. It will be interesting to see if the larger church, their presbytery, votes for it. It doesn't solve all problems. I'm all for parishes calling their own rector. What happens at larger church events where gay and straight clergy need to work together? What about bishops?

It's an intriguing development. Don't like the traditionalist/revisionist language, but I guess it depends on what is being revised.

Posted by Cynthia at Tuesday, 21 May 2013 at 6:00pm BST

Worth pointing out, of course, that the Church of Scotland is Presbyterian, not Anglican. Also worth pointing out that the behaviour of 'Protestants' is frequently far superior to that of 'Catholics'. Also worth pointing out that gay ministers within the Church of Scotland are welcoming this as 'a fair compromise'. Would that such attitudes - on both sides - were more prevalent within the C of E.

Posted by John at Tuesday, 21 May 2013 at 8:24pm BST
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