Comments: Church Society calls on House of Lords to put the brakes on

Lee Gatiss writes, 'The formularies of our church and the law of the land define and recognise marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others ... it has been thus since the creation of the world.'

This is not true.

Posted by Jane Charman at Thursday, 30 May 2013 at 3:10pm BST

Even if it was true - so what? The law is made by the representatives of individual societies and the representatives of this society are wanting to change it.
Everything happens for the first time once. "It's always been like this" is one of the most illogical arguments.

Posted by Erika Baker at Thursday, 30 May 2013 at 4:05pm BST

"It was designed thus by God to be a picture of the relationship between Christ and his people. It has been thus since the creation of the world."

Not true. And they might want to be circumspect about the metaphor of Christ as the bridegroom... just sayin'.

" It unravels something inexpressibly precious which societies at all times and in all places have perceived as unique and essential."

The writer clearly hasn't read much of say, the OT. "All times and all places," indeed!

"and is actually only sought by a small minority of the gay community."

Perhaps the writer should not be speaking for the gay community. This is about justice and theologically being created in the image of God, same as straight people.

Gay marriage "will have a crumbling effect ..." This is truly a joke. None of societies ills have been caused by gay marriage! A lot of healing can happen with compassion and justice, which are not priorities of the writer.

Posted by Cynthia at Thursday, 30 May 2013 at 4:25pm BST

"Since the creation of the world", indeed! Utter nonsense. Contemptible ignorance.

Posted by Will Douglas Barton at Thursday, 30 May 2013 at 6:41pm BST

"we support and should defend the legal equality (properly defined) of all those who experience same sex attraction"

Properly defined by homophobes who disparage gay people as "those who experience same sex attraction", I take it?

Posted by JCF at Thursday, 30 May 2013 at 9:24pm BST

Moreover, it did appear in a party manifesto. Or doesn't the Lib Dems' one count? It is a coalition after all.

Posted by Seph at Thursday, 30 May 2013 at 11:49pm BST

We American Westerners realize that while Brigham Young wasn't perfect there's pretty good evidence that most Mormon plural wives were treated a heck of a lot better than most Western women.

Posted by Gene O'Grady at Friday, 31 May 2013 at 4:07am BST

"Moreover, it did appear in a party manifesto."
It also appeared in the Conservative's equality manifesto.

Posted by Erika Baker at Friday, 31 May 2013 at 6:31am BST

"We American Westerners realize that while Brigham Young wasn't perfect there's pretty good evidence that most Mormon plural wives were treated a heck of a lot better than most Western women."

I'm an American Westerner and... ???? There's pretty good evidence of plural wives being treated as chattel, and being married off before the age of consent...

It does, however, refute the notion of marriage as between one man and one woman in all times and all places. The writer may well want to look at Utah as well as the OT.

Posted by Cynthia at Saturday, 1 June 2013 at 7:19am BST

Don't forget 'Paint Your Wagon' with Lee Marvin. A wonderful contribution to the current 'debate' - if you let it. And surely, right up Church Society's street !

The world has been run by heterosexuals who had & have all the power for hundreds of years - so if you don't like the way the world turned out, it would show more ethical sense and intgrity not to blame lgbt, who just got by, surviving as best we can - then & now.

Posted by Laurence at Sunday, 2 June 2013 at 2:14pm BST
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