Comments: Why supporting Lord Dear's amendment could be a disaster for the CofE

The C of E could do with a few disasters to wake it up

Sleek bishops without martyrdom !


Come back Henry V111.

He'd know how to sort Canterbury and the bishops out....

Posted by Laurence at Monday, 3 June 2013 at 10:36am BST

We are in the House of Lords for the two days.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Monday, 3 June 2013 at 1:15pm BST

Can someone flesh out the reference to 1832 and 1911?

Posted by Malcolm French+ at Monday, 3 June 2013 at 1:57pm BST

Oh, Dear. [Thank you, Bp Wilson & Dr McLean]

Posted by JCF at Monday, 3 June 2013 at 8:11pm BST

The reference to 1832 is presumably the Great Reform Act, which was finally passed after William IV threatened to create enough peers to force it through over the heads of the rejectionist Lords.

1911 is the Parliament Act, where again the monarch, this time George V, threatened to create sufficient peers to overcome the obstructionists.

Each event fundamentally changed, and diminished, the role of the House of Lords. It's almost certain that if the CofE bishops get involved in rejectionist posturing, the long-term consequences will not be positive for them.

Posted by Interested Observer at Monday, 3 June 2013 at 11:06pm BST

Not 100% certain but 1832 is the passage of the Great Reform Act against tremendous opposition in the Lords; 1911 is a reference to the Parliament Act in response to persistent obstruction from the Lords on the budget and Home Rule for Ireland. I think in both instances there was a threat of simply creating more peers by the King to enable the relevant law to pass. In both cases the Lords (eventually) backed down.

In 1832 the Lords Spiritual voted en bloc against the bill - I'm not sure what they did in 1911.

That's so far as I can make sense of it.

Posted by Craig Nelson at Monday, 3 June 2013 at 11:53pm BST

Slightly off topic, I note that this site was cited in the Lord's Library Note on this bill! Congrats.

See here: http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/LLN-2013-011 (bottom of page 2.

Posted by andrewdb at Tuesday, 4 June 2013 at 12:33am BST

God is working his purpose out
as year succeeds to year:
God is working his purpose out,
and the time is drawing near;
nearer and nearer draws the time,
the time that shall surely be,
when the earth shall be filled
with the glory of God
as the waters cover the sea.

Posted by Jeremy at Tuesday, 4 June 2013 at 3:07am BST

Some wonderful speeches and some so anti-gay that it make one cry. But the anti-gay ones seemed so mean, narrow, out of touch, and pointless in mnsho.

Posted by Laurence at Tuesday, 4 June 2013 at 7:11am BST
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