Comments: Some comments on the marriage bill debate and religion

Justin Welby told the Lords: "In general the majority of faith groups remain very strongly against the Bill."

On the contrary, the only evidence on this point which I know of is the well-publicised Westminster Faith Debates which I carried out with YouGov. It showed that adherents of most religions and denominations in the UK, with the exception of Baptists and Muslims, favour SSM by a small margin.

Perhaps he meant the majority of "faith leaders" but that is NOT what he said.

Posted by Linda Woodhead at Wednesday, 5 June 2013 at 2:33pm BST

"Perhaps he meant the majority of "faith leaders" but that is NOT what he said."

It's dishonest. Same when he claims to represent the "80 million Anglicans," as a reason he has to be on the wrong side of human rights, and the wrong side of God's own Creation, which includes LGBT persons.

The drivel, ignorance, and bigotry on parade will not soon be forgotten.

Posted by Cynthia at Thursday, 6 June 2013 at 12:03am BST

I'm so grateful for the posting of the Ekklesia article. The words in support of equal marriage were beautiful, truthful, loving, and spoke of the living and loving God in our lives.

Alas, it made the ABC and the other anti bishops look even worse. At least people got to hear a range of Christian and Jewish voices in support.

Posted by Cynthia at Thursday, 6 June 2013 at 3:20am BST

Very good point Linda Woodhead. Welby clearly thinks that he and the bishops are the only show in town.

I wish that Welby and others who claim to be in the spirit of religion and godliness could be humble enough to listen and learn.

' "We look forward to engaging in ongoing discussions with other faith groups on our interpretation of marriage in the spirit of ongoing learning”

When the English and RC bishops and Black led churches can join in such an ongoing process, things will be looking up.
Until then expect the continued decline of church-going.

The Church of England fails to appreciate that its signal and historic lack of ('pastoral' ) concern or any concern for individuals, has a knock on effect in its statistics.

People stop going, stop caring - have the prayer knocked out of them.

They care nothing for me and my partner, but we are now part of the statistics of (C of E) decline.

My partner and all his siblings went to RC private schools, the girls as day pupils, and the boys to pulic school, as boarders. NONE of them ever give the RC church or indeed a second thought.

My partner had become an anglican not so long after we met forty years ago. He wanted nothing more to do with the C of E after the way we were treated at Theological College. We were young and naive, and had no idea we would be treated with such cruelty, and lied to and deceived so egregiously.

Do you think we are alone in this, rare or unusual ? Tragically, we are not.

The statistics mount - but the human suffering is great; and the loss to the Church goes way beyond the statistical.

alas

Posted by Laurence at Thursday, 6 June 2013 at 3:45am BST
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