Comments: Church leaders call on Government ministers to apologise

A big thank you to all the signatories for writing this!

Posted by Erika Baker at Friday, 7 June 2013 at 11:23pm BST

What Erika said, and a request to my own government here in the U. S. to do the same.

Posted by Lois Keen at Saturday, 8 June 2013 at 12:08am BST

Congratulations on the hard and careful work in assembling this important evidence of government lies.

Posted by Dan O'Connor at Saturday, 8 June 2013 at 12:24am BST

Part of the new world order is the vilification of the poor, the working poor, the under employed and the unemployed. Its happening in all western democracies. Certainly here in Canada our neo-Con government are taking this tack, and the churches have been very silent. Interestingly, The Roman Catholic Church may become more vocal under the leadership of the reigning pope--whom reports suggest ( see link) really did not want to be pope and continues to live in a way that will keep him connected to the poor.
Only problem is, the churches, Anglican, Roman, treat their own women and GBLT minorities so shabbily, that their voice on behalf of the poor does not have much justice cred.

http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/06/07/i-didnt-want-to-be-pope-francis-tells-schoolchildren-in-vatican/

Posted by Rod Gillis at Saturday, 8 June 2013 at 2:52am BST

Good for them!

Posted by Cynthia at Saturday, 8 June 2013 at 3:03am BST

I'm really pleased about this. Political debate is worthless if it is based on twisted not true statistics. And whilst it is fine for politicians to give weight to the numbers that most support their case, it is totally unacceptable to twist them out of all recognition, as the present cases show has happened in several government departments of late. Again, it is one thing to put a political interpretation on the numbers, it is another to distort the numbers to fit the political case.

I'm hugely grateful to Andrew Dilnott and his colleagues at the CSA. He is a man firmly committed to keeping the statistics honest.

There have of course been church lobby groups who have also used statistics in a way that neither I nor any other mathematician could consider acceptable.

Posted by David Walker at Saturday, 8 June 2013 at 9:16am BST

Well done to the authors of the letter - this sort of truth-telling is definitely in order - 'bring to light the hidden things of darkness' and all that.

However, I think it's unfortunate that the letter omits to mention perhaps the most dangerous inaccuracy of them all - the assertion that there is a sharp distinction between people who work hard for a living and people who claim means-tested benefits. As several CofE bishops pointed out a few months ago, many of the means-tested benefits that are being targeted for the harshest cuts are designed specifically to top up the income of low-paid workers.

Posted by Feria at Saturday, 8 June 2013 at 11:06am BST

“We are concerned that these inaccuracies paint some of the most vulnerable in our society in an unfavourable light"

How so very unlike the way that the Church of England discusses homosexuality. When I listened to Bishops' speeches in last week's debate, I immediately thought "yes, these are honest and clear-thinking people who are not, in any way, twisting facts in order to support an a priori position".

It would be absurd to suggest that Tory ideologues attempting to link poverty with immorality and crime bear any resemblance to Christian ideologies linking homosexuality to paedophilia and incest. They're completely different sorts of dishonesty.

Posted by Interested Observer at Saturday, 8 June 2013 at 1:43pm BST

Re the criticisms above, perhaps it's just worth mentioning that the Quakers signed the letter, and that, as Christians, they are also asking to celebrate gay marriages.

Posted by Helen at Sunday, 9 June 2013 at 8:46pm BST
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