Comments: House of Lords: Wednesday in committee on the Marriage bill

Some of what the Bishop of Guildford wanted wasn't completely anti-gay. A first for a Bishop in the HoL on this debate?

Posted by CRW at Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 8:20am BST

I agree with CRW. He is doing what the bishop of Leicester's statement said they would do, namely engage constructively. He is the first bishop whose speech acknowledges that equal marriage is going to happen, and to discuss the consequences in a humane way.

Posted by Iain McLean at Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 11:50am BST

Their Lordships' proceedings are strangely fascinating. I wondered if they would 'go there' last night with their debates on 'consumation'. As this is a family website I cannot give Baroness Butler-Sloss' quote of the night, but it was amazing to behold. It entirely justifies my belief in ignoring the issue and doing whatever the government recommends on the issue instead of descending into inapropriate detail.

I previously dallied with the idea of a limited 'conscience clause' that guaranteed a service to same sex couples and was limited to staff employed prior to the introduction of the bill.

I'm still drawn to this idea. But I'm also very much aware that the registrars are local government employees, therefore employed by councils which I think changes things.

I think that councils are very much there as embodying the locality and ensuring the inclusion and thriving of all local communities and therefore do have a very serious and important role in not practising discrimination that is perhaps more important than perhaps for other organisations. Allowing a conscience clause, even if limited, undermines the policies and procedures of the local council in what they are trying to do at a fundamental level.

So I'm still a little torn and swaying my opinion on a day by day basis and very much listening to arguments on both sides and have some interest in seeing what the Lords decide - and how the Commons react.

Posted by Craig Nelson at Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 7:01pm BST

"As this is a family website I cannot give Baroness Butler-Sloss' quote of the night, but it was amazing to behold."

I'm curious.

Oh, wait: I'm not. :-X

Posted by JCF at Friday, 21 June 2013 at 4:37am BST
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