Comments: Anglican Church of Southern Africa considers Pastoral Response to Civil Unions

Far too little, far too late.

What's up with the Churches ?

The way they treat their lgbt - and CONTINUE to, is dreadful.

Non-religious lgbt wonder why any lgbt bother with religion - they may have a point...

Posted by Rev'd Laurence Roberts at Saturday, 5 October 2013 at 3:08pm BST

Maybe Pope Francis has influenced this Province. Our diocese has several priests in same-sex civil unions, most of which are very long-term, 10 years or more, and the priests are highly regarded.

Posted by Peter Denis at Saturday, 5 October 2013 at 3:20pm BST

They sign up to the Covenant and then make a move like this!

Posted by Robert ian Willaims at Saturday, 5 October 2013 at 11:22pm BST

I think that, for a Province on the Continent of Africa, the Southern African Anglican Church is moving in a good and wholesome direction. It is seeking to operated in the world of reality - rather than the 'virtual world' of the GAFCON Provinces.

In common with former Archbishop of Capetown, the Right Reverand Desomnd Tutu, the Anglican Church in Southern Africa is seeking to bring justice to the minority community of people who happen to have been created in the Image and Likeness of the very same God who created the majority homosexual community. Same God, same children of God!

One can only hope that the GAFCON Trumpet sound at Nairiobi might give way to the clarion call of the Gospel of Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, who came into this world to save sinners - all of us!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 6 October 2013 at 12:56am BST

Peter:Maybe Pope Francis has influenced? explain.?

All I know is that before divorce and re-marriage became a free fo all in he Church Of England they blessed re-marriages for years. A similar pattern could be emerging here.

Posted by robert ian williams at Sunday, 6 October 2013 at 8:07am BST

Don't they have full marriage equality in SA? If so, why the weak response to "skim milk" civil unions?

Posted by etseq at Sunday, 6 October 2013 at 1:12pm BST

etseq, I believe the Civil Union Act _is_ SA's form of marriage equality. It's a bit convoluted and not my region but AIUI there are three laws under which South Africans get married. One is applicable only to heterosexual couples, one only to members of certain indigenous tribes, and one is the Civil Union law, under which any two adults can marry. AFAIK there is no difference in benefits or nomenclature - people are free to refer to their relationship as a "marriage" or a "union" regardless of which law they were married under (this is in contrast to the American political landscape where it's explicit that civil unions ≠ marriage). It's just that each "path" to marriage is governed by a different law. I know it sounds odd; someone on the ground there can set me (erm) straight if I'm off base.

I suppose you could argue it's not "true" marriage equality until same-sex couples (or white people, for that matter) have the same three-way choice of which law they wish to marry under, but it's a fine distinction to me.

Posted by Geoff at Monday, 7 October 2013 at 12:07am BST

Interestingly a comment not picked up at the time of the recent Welsh vote ( and bring forth no reaction!) but recorded in the Church Times...Archbishop Morgan affirmed that the Welsh hierarchy was quite happy with gay clergy couples ( and lay ministers ) as long as thay were in a civil partnership. This was in response to a question about sexual morality and practice, so there was no pretence to celibacy. Maybe the Anglican Church in Southern Africa is headed in the same direction?

Posted by robert Ian williams at Monday, 7 October 2013 at 5:52am BST

Thanks for explanation!

Posted by etseq at Monday, 7 October 2013 at 9:21pm BST

Good evening, I know it is some years since these posts were questioning matters; has the Anglican Church in South Africa produced a new Theological Report since the " The Church and Human Sexuality" of the CPSA in April 1995. If yes, where may I obtain subsequent documents? Many thanks. Fr Garth Petzer

Posted by Fr garth at Wednesday, 21 January 2015 at 4:13pm GMT
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