Comments: General Synod online papers

From GS1924, the Bishops are going to announce:

"The House also accepts that the presence in the College of Bishops of at least one bishop who takes the Conservative Evangelical view on headship is important for sustaining the necessary climate of trust."

So, we are going to guarantee that there is always at least one serving bishop who teaches that women have to be subordinated to men.

The Church of England really does have a death wish.

Posted by badman at Friday, 25 October 2013 at 1:50pm BST

So if there aren't any suitable candidates for the episcopate holding these views, someone unsuitable will have to be appointed?

Posted by Pam Smith at Friday, 25 October 2013 at 4:55pm BST

well it seems to me there has to be graciousness on both sides and this does sem to be just that.

Posted by Stephen B at Friday, 25 October 2013 at 5:26pm BST

Seems to me this is a bit hard on the diocese this person will be appointed to. 'Focus of unity'?

Posted by Flora Alexander at Friday, 25 October 2013 at 8:25pm BST

And what sort of jurisdiction is this Discriminating Bishop to have?

Posted by Jeremy at Friday, 25 October 2013 at 8:40pm BST

No. The statement says "college" not house.
So he can be a suffragan or something.
I doubt a diocesan could hold these views now.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Friday, 25 October 2013 at 10:12pm BST

But will "presence" in the College suffice?

Or might he be given jurisdiction wherever the diocesan is a woman?

Posted by Jeremy at Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 12:43pm BST

Even given the proviso that this is about the College rather than the House, it must still be a real concern that these words are proposed for inclusion in a Declaration from the HoB itself given authority under the Canons of the Church if England. No other theological opinion is mandated for inclusion in the College, and it does seem incredible in 2013 to mandate this particular one. Does it really fall within the bounds of acceptable Anglican doctrine?

Posted by Simon Kershaw at Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 2:25pm BST

'At least one bishop who takes the Conservative Evangelical view on male headship'

I think they should appoint a woman.

Posted by Stephen Morgan at Sunday, 27 October 2013 at 12:22am GMT

I think that "Conservative Evangelical view on headship" is poor drafting - how about a bishop who has this view but rejects penal substitution or takes a liberal view of same sex marriage? That is surely not what is meant. Then there is the issue of who decides what the conservative view of headship is if there is a conflict (bishops, team rectors, team vicars, sunday school teachers, youth leaders etc - views are not uniform). There is also the issue that the views of individual bishops can change.

Posted by Mark Bennet at Sunday, 27 October 2013 at 8:30am GMT

Agree, Mark Bennet. Lots more muddle for everyone to argue about for a decade or three. This really is the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by Laurence Cunnington at Sunday, 27 October 2013 at 10:10am GMT

Mark's point is absolutely right. I have tried long and hard on evangelical websites to flush out a consistent understanding of biblical headship and what it actually looks like in practice when consistently applied and it is never forthcoming. And that is because there isn't one view of this in the evangelical world. There is enormous variety and it rightly baffles those genuinely trying to understand from the outside.

Posted by David Runcorn at Sunday, 27 October 2013 at 5:24pm GMT

David,
yes, that is one of the main difficulties. Did you read Rachel Held Evans' post on this?

http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/real-complementarian

Posted by Erika Baker at Monday, 28 October 2013 at 3:35pm GMT
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