Comments: new Bishop of Leeds announced

Leeds gain is Liverpool's loss. A sensible, experienced and wise choice of first chief shepherd for the new diocese of West Yorkshire and the Dales.

Posted by Father David at Tuesday, 4 February 2014 at 1:14pm GMT

Father David. Liverpool lost Nick Baines years ago 'though he is still at Anfield in football spirit.
In this new diocese he retains all his Bradford Diocese oversight but adds a lot more of Yorkshire.

Posted by Ken Sawyer at Tuesday, 4 February 2014 at 1:42pm GMT

Yes, a great appointment and a great loss for Europe, Liverpool, Gloucester....

Posted by Charles Read at Tuesday, 4 February 2014 at 1:50pm GMT

Sadly he prefers the wrong shape of ball. That would never do in Glawster. Excellent appointment, though. Having grown up in Bradford diocese and served a 12 year spell in Wakefield (though only 15 minutes from Bradford Cathedral) I'm comforted that +Nick remains there.

Posted by cryptogram at Tuesday, 4 February 2014 at 3:14pm GMT

Charles not forgetting the loss to Hereford, Guildford, St. Edmundsbury & Ipswich. As for suffragan sees it's been a long time since the Whitby area in the York diocese missed out on the appointment of a potentially excellent suffragan bishop. Leeds is pioneering the way in reducing the number of diocesan vacancies by amalgamating three into one. Which dioceses will be brave enough to follow their example and join up with one another?

Posted by Father David at Tuesday, 4 February 2014 at 5:16pm GMT

Oh, I don't think Europe is in mourning - yet; and I have to say that I hadn't heard +Nick mentioned as a maybe (unlike one extraordinary suggestion which I heard only today!)I think many people had expected +Nick to be nominated for Leeds etc; and many of us in Europe are praying for a different gift from the Almighty...

Posted by Peter Edwards at Tuesday, 4 February 2014 at 7:26pm GMT

Surprise surprise - as I commented a while ago, this was a done deal from the start, there was never the slightest doubt that Baines would be the new super bishop.

I remain sceptical about this new diocese and consider that the last state may end up being worse than the first. Even Nick Baines may not be able to overcome this.

Posted by Concerned Anglican at Tuesday, 4 February 2014 at 7:35pm GMT

My word, Concerned a new level of episcopacy in that Nick Baines becomes a "super bishop". Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's Super Bishop! I suppose that makes him more important than a mere Flying Bishop but is a "super bishop" yet even more important than an Archbishop and will he be declaring UDI from the Province of York now that has been reduced from 14 diocese to just 11? With the declared intention of having 5 episcopal areas in the new super diocese (Bradford, Huddersfield, Leeds, Ripon and Wakefield), I'm concern about what will happen to the existing bishops of Knaresborough and Pontefract? Will we be seeing yet another category of episcopacy in that they will become redundant bishops or even worse culled bishops? I think we should be told.

Posted by Father David at Wednesday, 5 February 2014 at 6:20am GMT

Fr David, it has always been part of the new diocese scheme that the existing suffragan bishops automatically assume two of the new suffragan bishoprics, viz.
Pontefract becomes the new Wakefield, and
Knaresborough becomes the new Ripon.

The only bishop becoming redundant turns out to be the old Wakefield. But I rather like the idea a culled bishop.

Replacing three dioceses with one diocese only cuts the number in the Northern Province by two.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Wednesday, 5 February 2014 at 7:53am GMT

Simon thank you for that clarification. So now only two new bishops need to be found for Bradford and Huddersfield. That means the number of bishops serving the new super diocese will remain exactly the same. Formerly there was Bradford, Ripon, Wakefield, Pontefract and Knaresborough. Come the Appointed Day potentially there will be Bradford, Huddersfield, Leeds, Ripon and Wakefield. Five before and five thereafter. Forgive me but Maths was never my strong point - you've no idea what a struggle it was to pass 'O ' level Mathematics. Thank you for your correction. The Northern Province will now be reduced from 14 dioceses to 12 - which, when you think about it is rather Biblical.

Posted by Father David at Wednesday, 5 February 2014 at 9:35am GMT

A further thought occurs - when the present Bishop of Pontefract becomes the Suffragan Bishop of Wakefield will he be moving into Bishop's Lodge once Stephen Platten vacates the property or have the Church Commissions other thoughts on what to do with Bishop's Lodge as they have with regarded to the moated Bishop's Palace at Wells?

Posted by father David at Wednesday, 5 February 2014 at 9:49am GMT

I should be surprised if + Tony Pontefract moves from his present modern home which is in walking distance of Bishop's lodge. I think a change of name for his house will be the only consequence.
Unmoated and draughty Bishop's Lodge will be sold, I'm sure.

Posted by Peter Bostock at Wednesday, 5 February 2014 at 11:38am GMT

Great appointment. The outgoing Bishop of Bradford was the standout candidate, so it was not difficult. I am a bit out of touch as a former Central Member of the CNC, but cannot think of another candidate who even came close. Prayers for +Nick and the new diocese. Lots of work to do building His church.

Posted by Anthony Archer at Wednesday, 5 February 2014 at 11:54am GMT

A moderate evangelical as regards women, but a safe pair of hands to check the gay advance.

Strange how Paul can be revised on women but not on gays!

Posted by Robert ian Williams at Wednesday, 5 February 2014 at 8:24pm GMT

Me thinks that now that Bishop Nick Baines is about to extend his empire to include the whole of the half of Yorkshire ( or should that be the half of the whole of Yorkshire?) the Bishop of Chelmsford will now have a rival to take over the Northern Province when + Sentamu Eboracensis retires. Both Bradford and Chelmsford are in their mid fifties and once 2014 is over and the centenary celebrations of the Chelmsford diocese complete a man of such vision, energy and imagination as Bishop Stephen may well be looking for a new challenge - possibly London but I still will wager a pound on him going to York.

Posted by Father David at Thursday, 6 February 2014 at 5:42am GMT

Unlikely for +Leeds (is that the nomenclature?) to be translated to Ebor while ++Justin is at Cantuar. In addition, the task in West Yorkshire is going to need five years at least. While not being one of the Big Five in House of Lords terms, and obviously not a Primate, the new role is far more important than Durham or Winchester, and arguably York, apart from the Primate element of that role.

Posted by Anthony Archer at Thursday, 6 February 2014 at 8:03pm GMT

Leeds more important than Durham? I don't think so! It's time for the new Dunelm not only to reclaim his castle but also Northumberland lost to the upstart diocese of Newcastle in the days of Bishop Lightfoot. That'll shew Leeds exactly who is Cock of the North.

Posted by Father David at Friday, 7 February 2014 at 6:33am GMT

Agree re Newcastle, a largely failed diocese under current leadership, but the new +Dunelm has too much to do to be burdened by merging the two dioceses. Maybe the Dioceses Commission has different ideas?

Posted by Anthony Archer at Friday, 7 February 2014 at 12:46pm GMT

Following today's General Synod debate will the new bishop of the super diocese be known as + Nick Leeds or + Nicholas West Yorkshire and the Dales? If the latter, he'll not only have the biggest diocese in the Chiurch of England but also the longest and most cumbersome title.

Posted by Father David at Tuesday, 11 February 2014 at 3:55pm GMT

"The force (which we rather inadequately refer to as God) which created unimaginable splendours and unimaginable horrors has taken refuge in us and will follow our commands"
St Catherine of Siena
In other words the choice is ours and not 'the Will of God' (inshallah)That's why we're here.
Excellent TOTD this morning---many thanks

Posted by Peter Naylor at Monday, 29 June 2015 at 8:15am BST
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