Comments: Women bishops reference to dioceses

One of the most important decisions made, so far, in the proposed legislation for the ordination of women as bishops in the Church of England would appear to be the fact that: the diocesan bishop, whether female or male, will be considered to have assented to the requested episcopal intervention of another, male, bishop in their diocese.

This would seem to allow the diocesan to maintain their normal episcopal authority within their own jurisdiction - by an act of delegation - rather than having to surrender to any external force of legal coercion.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 18 February 2014 at 10:31pm GMT

My concern is that though the "Act of Synod" is gone, those parishes that have been ABC will continue to have a semi-detached existence within the CofE. More so indeed since the Act of Synod allowed for extended episcopal ministry but the new Bishops declaration speaks of extended episcopal oversight, giving credence to the practice of such parishes regarding themselves as within the See of their PEV rather than within the See of their diocesan.

Posted by paul richardson at Wednesday, 19 February 2014 at 9:33am GMT

And therein, Paul, is the difficulty of maintaining the catholicity of the College of Bishops, whose understanding of collegiality may be different in the Church of England - from what it is in other Provinces of Ekklesia Anglicana.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 19 February 2014 at 9:59am GMT

My concern is that though the "Act of Synod" is gone, those parishes that have been ABC will continue to have a semi-detached existence within the CofE.

Let's face it, lots of parishes - evangelical, affirming catholic- even, dare I say it, liberal exist in a semi detached existence within the church. When I was a rural dean many many years ago, I was told by the churchwarden of a very upmarket establishment church that her loyalty was to the parish, not the diocese. Though I look on from outside now, having crossed the Tiber, my advice , for what its worth is, let it all happen, and see where it leads.

Posted by ian at Wednesday, 19 February 2014 at 11:18am GMT

Out of interest, are any of the plausible candidates to be amongst the first cohort of women bishops lesbians who are likely to marry their partners in the meantime? If the CofE is going to tear itself to pieces with conservatives claiming the world is ending, why not get a two for the price of one offer and resolve both issues at the same time?

Posted by Interested Observer at Wednesday, 19 February 2014 at 5:34pm GMT

Out of interest, are any of the plausible candidates to be amongst the first cohort of women bishops lesbians who are likely to marry their partners in the meantime?

I think,on reflection,the answer to that is likely to be no

Posted by ian at Wednesday, 19 February 2014 at 8:33pm GMT

I agree with Paul Richardson that it is worrying that the bishops' declaration speaks of extended episcopal 'oversight'. Charles Read, myself and others have posted many times on this site over the years pointing out that the Act of Synod allowed for extended episcopal care, not alternative episcopal oversight, even though many Res C parishes behaved as if it was alternative oversight that had been granted.
It would have been much better if the bishops' declaration had carried over the words from the Act of Synod. Use of the word oversight might well give dissenters further encouragement to believe that they can look only to their PEV, and thumb their noses at their diocesan. I suppose that, now the matter has formally been referred to the dioceses, it is probably too late to correct this sloppy wording, but I hope someone can tell me it is not.

Posted by Malcolm Dixon at Thursday, 20 February 2014 at 6:31pm GMT
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