Comments: House of Bishops' pastoral letter - reports and comments

I had not read the House of Bishops' pastoral letters before I wrote:

'I refuse to be silent about the awful realities being brushed aside, and I see no way in which anyone who cares about those millions of destroyed lives would wish to join a Church which seems to have forgotten that we must love our neighbours...'

in the follow up discussions on the Green debacle.

It is thus particularly ironic that the Bishops have demonstrated, once again, their studious refusal to face up to the awful realities which they do not even mention, much less condemn, whilst urging us to reconnect with the idea of loving our neighbours.

Whilst I personally would urge everyone to exercise the democratic rights which our fellow citizens have fought and died for, I suspect that Russel Brand's views on money laundering for drug cartels and human traffickers are rather more robust than those of the House of Bishops. The PR campaign promises to be interesting...

Posted by Stevie Gamble at Tuesday, 17 February 2015 at 10:02pm GMT

Read the Times Leader today on the Bishops Report.It is excellent. A pity it is behind a pay barrier

Posted by Jean Mayland (Revd) at Wednesday, 18 February 2015 at 5:31pm GMT

Not everything is wrong with the Church of England. The Ash Wednesday evening Eucharist at Durham Cathedral was wonderfully moving and sobering.

Posted by John at Wednesday, 18 February 2015 at 9:52pm GMT

Irrespective of the political leanings of the opinions expressed in the document, I do look forward to a 54p long government critique of the way the national church is led by its current episcopate, but then our bishops would shout blue murder. I'm not saying Christians have no place in public debate, but the constant, negative commenting of bishops pretending to speak in the name of a synodically (one l or two?) governed church is beginning to grate. Are we so much better an organisation than the world we constantly bash?

Posted by Lorenzo Fernandez-Vicente at Wednesday, 18 February 2015 at 11:21pm GMT

And bishops should have the humility to acknowledge that they are not elected before they lecture democracies, or at least be ready to look at their appointment system, clouded in much greater mystery than parliamentary proceedings.

Posted by Lorenzo Fernandez-Vicente at Wednesday, 18 February 2015 at 11:31pm GMT

John - Ash Wednesday liturgy at the Shrine of Our Lady of Walsingham likewise: there are some very good things about the Church of England but I don't count that 'pastoral letter' as one of them.

Posted by Jill Armstead at Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 8:45am GMT

I have just read Who is my Neighbour and it is excellent. Really hope people will find time to read it - it is 120 short paragraphs and the print is quite large! Or if you can't do that there is a text box on each page with a summary. Other people have also produced useful summaries. I haven't yet had a chance to read any of the commentary on the report.

The report is genuinely not party political although it obviously cannot pretend that all political parties believe and say the same thing. It is very well written - do we know who actually penned it? If I had one criticism it might be to ask whether it is as realistic about the electorate as it is about those elected. We are not a righteous and fair minded electorate ill served by our politicians. I think many politicians of all parties would be glad to speak out in the terms of this report but are well aware that the electorate would not digest or tolerate such a bold message. So they compromise - and we get the government we deserve. My hope for this report is that we might use it to hold one another to account as much as those standing in the next election.

The report also helps me understand why I have been made so profoundly uneasy by the 'Green' report which although well intentioned and asking all the right questions about an important subject nevertheless seems to fall short in its conclusions of the vision set out in Who is my Neighbour. Concerns include: too much power in too few hands, lack of accountability, and unequal distribution of resources, all themes picked up in the report. The idea that if we lavishly resource a few top people the benefit will trickle down to others has been tried many times and found wanting. I think we do have to ask how it happened that the 'Green' report struck the keynotes it did and why it is out of kilter with much of what the Church of England is trying to say elsewhere. It is easy to point to the emblematic presence of Lord Green himself as the person after whom the report is named but he didn't actually write it. So the question remains for me: how did a vein of thinking which is not typical of the Church of England and off message in significant ways find its way into this one report, despite the presence on the group of four excellent bishops in whom I otherwise have the fullest confidence.

Posted by Jane Charman at Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 10:27am GMT

In what way, Jane Charman, is the government lavishly resourcing a few top people?

Posted by Jill Armstead at Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 3:19pm GMT

I too found it good, as others say elsewhere it is missing a profound human rights approach, but then its institutional life is so corrupted by its power structures, attachment to priveledge, preference for the rich, promoting inequality with titles and pay grades and of course it's discrimination against the poor, ill educated, disabled, women yet alone its racism and open hatred towards lgbti people would make this difficult.

I have little praise however for the information policy and management of the CofE. Lately, and despite more aparant professionalism, there has been disaster after disaster in delivery of the message.
I think this document in this form is a huge mistake.
What it should be is six five minute videos. One issued weekly as the the election campaign moves forward.
There might be written material to cover and support the videos.

This would, in my opinion, do a variety of useful things, and keep the church at the heart of the campaign for more than just a week.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 6:16pm GMT

And Archbishop Cranmer revelation that No 10 leaked it to the Telegraph and his analyses of their coverage, even weaving in HSBC is good copy!
Sometimes His Grace is very good.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 6:39pm GMT

I fully agree with you Jane. There is a connection here and I too find it disturbing. In this respect the Green Report is a symptom not a solution. There is a more careful diagnosis needed - and this is not normally done by those needing the examination in the first place and who then resist seeking second (or third) opinions.

Posted by David Runcorn at Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 7:55pm GMT

While the Church of England leadership has many flaws, the letter is a response to a situation which many find deeply alarming.

Statistics may seem dry, e.g. half a million people turning to food banks for help in the six months from April-September 2014, the number of people in paid work who need housing benefit soaring from 650,561 in May 2010 to 1.03 million by the end of 2013, the proportion of people aged 65 and over receiving social care falling from 15.3% in 2005/6 to just 9.1% this year, while the UK's richest 1,000 people have doubled their wealth in the five years. But there are human tragedies involved, like that of Mark Wood in Oxfordshire, who had his benefits taken away despite severe mental health problems and starved to death. If the institutional church waited until it was near-perfect itself before speaking out on any injustice, this would do little to help those currently suffering and prevent things from getting even worse.

Posted by Savi Hensman at Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 9:36pm GMT
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