Comments: GAFCON statement on the 2016 primates Gathering

So, it's Archbishop Foley Beach who is to be the new de facto Archbishop of the new Anglican Communion that the Archbishop of Uganda told us has now come about - It must be Beach as he's the only one mentioned by name in this latest GAFCON statement.

Posted by Nicholas Henderson at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 7:38pm GMT

Couldn't even leave it a day before gloating and demanding further sanctions.

And surprise there came none.

Posted by James Byron at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 7:56pm GMT

Someone on Episcopal Cafe (the TEC liberal blog) posted this report on the financial position of the ACC.
http://www.anglicancommunion.org/media/195830/acc2014.pdf

England and the US are the only ones who pay 6 figures into it. It's very interesting to see who pays nothing, the GAFCON provinces. Apparently all this posturing is on our dime (UK's 5p looks like one of our dimes and is almost worth as much, in a bad year). From two countries that have legal gay marriage and outlaws hate crimes.

I'm reserving judgment on what I'll advocate for, financially. I generally think it's better to stay engaged. I am confident that Christ has already won the victory that so many of us seek. And that justice and the Promised Land is our destination. This is a mountain that will in time be made low and the rough places plain. The Good News of Good Tidings of Great Joy for all People everywhere, gay/straight, rich/poor, black/white, is the final destination.

TEC was 40 years ahead of CoE on women bishops. I doubt that inclusive marriage is 40 years away in CoE, Canada, and other provinces. This day will be likend to the time when the church supported racism, misogyny, antisemism, and persecution of "heretics."

God help the LGBTQ people who suffer today, and tomorrow, and until we create "on earth as it is in heaven."

I guess the long view is what one is left with when we are so far ahead in this justice/Image of God issue.

Posted by Cynthia at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 8:04pm GMT

Didn't Lambeth 1 10 also say something about the wrongness of criminalising homosexuality. It is deeply sad that this doesn't seem to have been addressed by the Primates as far as I can see.

Posted by Perry Butler at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 8:16pm GMT

Sickening to read pseudo-pious language as the GAFCON monster demands more blood. These purveyors of evil must be stopped, with or without ++Justin's help.

Posted by Drew Tweedy at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 9:33pm GMT

We Episcopalians should not give one more dime to the Anglican Communion! We should fund all projects as the Episcopal Church, and if they don't want our "tainted" money because of gays and women, there are plenty of other good causes in the world on which to spend it!

Kurt Hill
Brooklyn, NY

Posted by Kurt Hill at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 9:56pm GMT

Well the CofE is marginalised, Christ's church is broken by the haters and LGBTI brothers and sisters placed in even greater danger of physical harm. The evil ungodly empire of GAFCON have spoken and Justin Welby acquiesced. The sad thing is that nobody is surprised.

Posted by Kim James at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 11:13pm GMT

How ironic..this nasty vituperative communique was written by Doctor Jensen, and again it talks of Biblical and apostolic faith.

Yet there is no one more removed from Apostolic and biblical Christianity as Doctor Jensen , on the eucharist and the the very meaning of being born again.

Yet even in his mind many of the GAFCON primates are unsound as they ordain women as presbyters and some want women bishops. That is the future fissure in GAFCON.

Posted by robert ian williams at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 11:33pm GMT

While we're at it, it would be good not to recognize priests from the Church of England wanting to working in the Episcopal Church. They should be retrained to get the homophobia out of them.


Gary Paul Gilbert

Posted by Gary Paul Gilbert at Thursday, 14 January 2016 at 11:49pm GMT

Archbishops of Canterbury have sat on the fence for so long that it has broken.

Posted by Jeremy at Friday, 15 January 2016 at 3:19am GMT

This statement is pure fertilizer. And it won't be long before the Primates vote England off the Island.

Posted by Jeremy Wance at Friday, 15 January 2016 at 4:10am GMT

From TEC's GC budget:

"Anglican Communion Office:
We restored funds for the ACO to the $1,200,000 level of two triennia ago. This is an increase of
$500,000."

Full budget 2016-18 here: https://extranet.generalconvention.org/staff/files/download/13858.pdf

There's some 8 mil on "Anglican, Ecumenical and Interfaith" - imagine what we could do if it were just "Ecumenical and Interfaith."

Posted by MarkBrunson at Friday, 15 January 2016 at 5:26am GMT

I feel the C of E need to take a step back and consider who they are serving, God or one another for their own gratification.
Are the primates truly listening to the Lord God who reins ion high who died and rose again for all,. That said truly today you will be in paradise, The God I know and Love is non-judgmental, has an all consuming love for all his children, this includes those who love one another even if they are of the same sex . Do we really want to behave like Pharisees, please Lord do not make me ....... ?

Posted by Gill Parnell at Friday, 15 January 2016 at 6:02am GMT

Robert Ian Williams. - your pope would be v comfortable breaking bread with Jensen. Deal with your own RC rather than sniping at Anglicans. I guess you're happy liberals have been defeated? Or do you want liberals to succeed because you think inclusive success will destroy Anglicanism to the advantage of your RC club? You sound v different to your pope.

Posted by S Cooper at Friday, 15 January 2016 at 8:18am GMT

Many Anglicans have worked with the episcopal churches in Africa as well as the Episcopal Church of the United States, have friends and colleagues in each and have attempted to moderate each side to the other. GAFCON's graceless statement and reaction does nothing to attempt a reconciliation. Sadly it underlines the certainty of an unquestioned fundamentalism, dependant upon a specific exegesis of scripture. Such certainties have led to religious wars between Hindus (BJP) and other religious groups, Buddhist extremism in Thailand, Sri Lanka and Cambodia and, of course, current manifestation of Islamic extremism throughout the world.

The pseudo piety of GAFCON can be of little support to the persecuted gay, lesbian, transgendered citizens in their provinces. No amount of appeal to scriptural interpretation will stop the murder of gays and lesbians. One had assumed that the Inquisition was a thing of the past, but surely GAFCON's intransigence is preparing for just such a manifestation of unchristian extremism.

Posted by Angusian at Friday, 15 January 2016 at 10:20am GMT

Yes, by all means please cut off funding of the ACO and ACC. Don't simply mouth the words. Have the courage of your convictions and write to your bishops and demand they not send another cent to these organisations.

Posted by wyclif at Friday, 15 January 2016 at 11:17am GMT

I agree that TEC should redirect the money going into the Anglican bureaucracy to actual charity.

We should not do it, though, as a tit-for-tat response to being made to sit in the corner, but because the Anglican Communion is now undeniably an instrument of oppression.

Posted by JPM at Friday, 15 January 2016 at 6:40pm GMT

I was disappointed with S Cooper's comment, I thought I was being helpful.

For the record no Catholic could agree with Jensen:

1) He discounts baptism as regenerative and believes salvation depends on a personal subjective prayer invitation to be " saved".
2) He abominates the Mass
3) He abhors and discounts the Apostolic succession and believes in lay celebration and is totally anti-sacerdotal in his understanding of the ordained ministry.

As for a "liberal" Pope..you've fallen for the flawed newspaper reporting.

Posted by robert ian williams at Saturday, 16 January 2016 at 12:04pm GMT

Robert Williams - I can see in your comments just one thing and that is your View that the RC is superior; it is obvious you're anti Jensen because he is 'reformed' but also do not support inclusive Anglicans' aims. I much prefer the impression we get of your pope but suspect you prefer his predecessor. Regardless, I don't think you're any friend of inclusive Anglicans.

Posted by S Cooper at Sunday, 17 January 2016 at 12:43am GMT
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