Comments: New Zealand working group publishes draft rites of blessing

"The blessing of a marriage for same-sex couples is presented as a separate rite from that offered for use by opposite-sex couples, although the two rites will be found to be largely similar."

I think the Kiwis are kidding themselves, if they believe the Primates won't send them to the naughty corner, along w/ TEC. :-/

Posted by JCF at Tuesday, 23 February 2016 at 4:12am GMT

"I think the Kiwis are kidding themselves, if they believe the Primates won't send them to the naughty corner, along w/ TEC. :-/" JCF

I think they realize the "naughty corner" (love that, thanks JCF) isn't as much a punishing/dark voyage as a delightful vacation in the SUN! It's a walk in the park!

Leonard Clark
Leonardo Ricardo

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Tuesday, 23 February 2016 at 4:26pm GMT

I just can't see the Maori or Polynesian bishops/laity within the Church endorsing this.

Posted by robert ian williams at Tuesday, 23 February 2016 at 5:47pm GMT

I for one, would be glad to spend some time in the naughty corner with our friends from TEC, and I predict that what will move the Communion away from the uneasy compromise by the Primates last month will be other Provinces choosing to make changes of this sort even if they bring "relational consequences". I would even welcome a resolution by General Synod voluntarily imposing the same conditions on ourselves as have been imposed on TEC.

Having read most of the report, I believe the most significant part of the proposals, and the one that will bring the most energetic debate at General Synod is the expanded definition of "chaste living". Until now, the only acceptable forms have been celibacy or marriage, so if marriage is not available to GLBTI folk, it is impossible for them to be living chastely in any form of sexual relationship. It's a sort of Catch 22, which the proposals promise to break.

If that part of the report is accepted (and I pray that it will be) then the need for the new rites of blessing follows naturally.

Posted by Edward Prebble at Tuesday, 23 February 2016 at 7:50pm GMT

RIW: The late great (Maori) Archbishop Sir Paul Reeves would definitely have approved.

Posted by Turbulent priest at Tuesday, 23 February 2016 at 11:54pm GMT

Have readers noticed that what is proposed in this 'Way Forward' in our Aotearoa/New Zealand'Pacifica Church - though short of a marriage ceremony for Same-Sex couples - does allow for a 'Blessing' of a lergally married Same-Sex couple. It even would allow a clergy-person in a civil partnership to be 'Blessed' in the Church.

This is one stage further than the just-announced
"Acceptance" of LGBT couples and their families in the Anglican Church of South Africa. Abp. MakGoba has stated, though, that their relationships may not be "Blessed" by the Church. Nor may anyone be ordained who is part of a Same-Sex relationship.

So, at least, ACANZP, is one step ahead of the A.C.S.A. on this issue. I wonder what Archbishop Desmond Tutu would have to say about that?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 23 February 2016 at 11:56pm GMT

Many studies have shown that Maori are no more homophobic than Europeans, RIW
All members of the Maori and Mana parties voted for Same-sex marriage in the parliament.
Polynesia is not so welcoming but I would say this very much due to missionary colonisation. Note that same-sex marriage is legal in areas colonised by the French.

Posted by Brian Ralph at Wednesday, 24 February 2016 at 4:39am GMT

Point taken..but I think with the evangelical diocese of Nelson there will not be a easy passage. Plus the fact that in twenty seven years no women bishops have not been consecrated in the Maori and Polynesian dioceses.

Posted by robert ian williams at Wednesday, 24 February 2016 at 7:21pm GMT

Robert, you don't seem to understand - not having lived in Aotearoa for many years now - that ACANZP, the Anglican Church in New Zealand, now operates under 3 separate jurisdictions. This means that Pakenham, Maori and Pacific Islands sections of our Church are acknowledged as having diverse but coordinated cultural streams.

Your comments about differences in likely diocesan responses to the 'Ma Whea' Commission findings will be catered for explicitly by the proposed provisions for individual diocesan action to be taken.

Furthermore, in traditional Maori and Pacific Islands culture - which we respect by virtue of our 3 Tikanga cultural stream - there are still reservations about female leadership, although, if an outstanding woman should ever be discerned as a likely episcopal leader, I'm pretty sure she would be considered.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 24 February 2016 at 11:15pm GMT

And, in the meantime, there are rumours of a Sydney diocese cultural war on gay people in the Australian Church. From the Newcastle Heroald comes the news:

"Cultural change: Newcastle Anglican Bishop Greg Thompson has criticised the emergence of a "para Anglican Communion" led by the conservative Anglican Sydney diocese. He says there is a need for cultural change in the church.".

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 25 February 2016 at 9:43am GMT

Wow Ron, paganism trumps St Paul!

Posted by robert ian williams at Thursday, 25 February 2016 at 4:46pm GMT

Yes, Robert. Nearly as scandalous as duplicate popes - or the child abuse problems in thre R.C Church.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Saturday, 27 February 2016 at 9:02am GMT

Bosco Peters has a major article about some issues with this proposal

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Thursday, 3 March 2016 at 3:31pm GMT
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