Comments: ACC-16 latest reports

It seems to me that ACc-16 has been a good-natured and productive gathering. What a contrast to the clearly fractious gathering of primates earlier in the year,which says something about Anglican primates which is not to their collective credit.

Posted by Kate at Friday, 15 April 2016 at 10:46am BST

With the gracious restraint of Ian Douglas, yet again the Episcopal Church of the USA is showing what it means for the members of the Anglican Communion to "Walk Together" in unity. The meeting of the ACC in Zambia has shown that the common bonds we share together, within a world-wide Anglican expression of faith, are stronger than the forces that seek to divide.

Posted by Paul Richardson at Friday, 15 April 2016 at 11:27am BST

Extremely important essay on finances and Anglican Communion. TEC paying far less is, one might conclude, and I would, extremely important.

The Communion cannot be leveraged on perceptions that TEC is paying the bills so calls the tune. This isn't good for TEC's Christian witness either.

To hear that Sudan is making the gift it is reminds one of the widow's mite.

Here I would agree with +JI-F that a properly functioning ACO is one that has contributions from as many as are able, and that includes those that have stayed away this time.

Perhaps when they are assured the ACO is not now (and hopefully never was...) a proxy for TEC, given the wealth/influence of the USA, they will sense better ownership and commitment to a bona fide world wide communion catholic and Anglican.

The essay 'Can't Pay etc' is important reading and indicates the direction toward which the ACO may now be winding. Praise God.

Posted by cseitz at Friday, 15 April 2016 at 9:18pm BST

The final line of the top article "Dr Idowu-Fearon appealed in his address to members to “take seriously” the Anglican Covenant, which he was involved in drafting."

They are drafting ANOTHER Anglican Covenant??? The last one failed. Are they just going to keep submitting new ones until maybe one day they have success?

I thought we were done with the Anglican Covenant. It is so unwise to try to pass another one. It can only divide... Oh well.

Posted by Cynthia at Friday, 15 April 2016 at 9:36pm BST

Is there some confusion?

+Josiah was a main contributor to the Covenant work. As he notes, 11 provinces signed it.

If he is meant to see to it that the provinces work together, he wouldn't count 'No' votes but would want to evaluate the position of those not having yet voted. Viz.,

Half the Communion.


Posted by cseitz at Friday, 15 April 2016 at 11:44pm BST

I, too, am concerned that the secretary-general of the Anglican Communion should even be talking about 'another Covenant'. This sounds like a move towards the oddly-named 'Fallowship of Confessing Anglicans' currently holding meetings in Aotearoa/New Zealand that I don't want any part of.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Saturday, 16 April 2016 at 2:09am BST

Thinking about "Messy Church" is there any news on when we might expect the possible publication of "THAT WAS THE CHURCH THAT WAS - How the Church of England lost the English People" by Andrew Brown and Linda Woodhead in its censored and sanitised form?

Posted by Father David at Saturday, 16 April 2016 at 6:13am BST

"They are drafting ANOTHER Anglican Covenant??? The last one failed. Are they just going to keep submitting new ones until maybe one day they have success?"

Sort of a "Beatings will continue until morale improves" strategem, huh? }-X

Posted by JCF at Saturday, 16 April 2016 at 6:28am BST

The continued attempt to make the failed covenant relevant reminds me of the repeated votes to repeal health-care reform in the US Congress.

Posted by Pat O'Neill at Saturday, 16 April 2016 at 11:51am BST

Father David, I've just had an announcement from the Church House bookshop that the launch party for "That Was The Church..." is on again for June 16th, which suggests that the book is due around then. And from what I've heard, the problem that led to the postponement was a pretty small and tangential one, and the book is far from sanitised...

Posted by Francis at Saturday, 16 April 2016 at 2:34pm BST

Thank you Francis for that information. June 16th is the Eve of my Birthday which falls on St. Botolph's Day - so "THAT WAS THE CHURCH THAT WAS" will definitely be on my list of requested birthday presents. You state that the problem that caused the original books to be recalled and pulped was "small and tangential" but that contradicts what Damian Thompson wrote in an article that I recently came across to the effect that almost each and every page contained that which caused the jaw to drop! I do hope that it hasn't been too sanitised.

Posted by Father David at Saturday, 16 April 2016 at 6:10pm BST

Bishop John Paterson was Primate and Presiding Bishop of Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia at the same time as being Chair of the ACC. Perhaps the confusion lies in the fact that he was not then an Archbishop (he has been given that title in retirement), but he most certainly was one of the Primates.

Posted by Edward Prebble at Saturday, 16 April 2016 at 7:33pm BST

The secretary general is talking about the same covenant, not a new one.

If I understand correctly, John Paterson was a primate when he was elected ACC chair, but not for most of his term.

Posted by Jim Naughton at Monday, 18 April 2016 at 8:56pm BST

And if TEC cuts loose the so-called communion, no one has to worry about taking our tainted money and feeling all hostage-y to the prevailing culture, which, the same folks assure us, is not the prevailing culture at. all.

The Anglican Communion has gone from being an ineffectual vanity project for frustrated closet RC's to being a full-on wickedness acting against God's work.

Stop pretending we do good by supporting it. We don't - whatever aid you give to some poor soul across the world, comes at the price of their minds and souls for the Anglican Communion altar.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Wednesday, 20 April 2016 at 9:06am BST
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